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What will Happen to the free JAVA Software if the IBM buys the SUN Microsystem?
Posted by Kiruba2020 • 3/22/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: 6.5 million dollars, auctions, ibm, ibm-sun deal, sun
IBM has auctioned to buy the SUN Micro system for 6.5 Million Dollars.. i heard that Sun Micro system is going in much loss !!
when the IBM buys the Sun, the Free Java Software from the SUN, will go for cost or still it will be a free language?
Please comment about the deal too !!
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Even if that happened (very unlikely), the code is already out there and released under an open license. They can do nothing about that.-
Yes. that is so true. Sun is there just to act as "I am the genius who created java you know, so buy my other java related product from me because I am the one who can detailing java". Sun just hold the 'founder award', for the recognition of the world. So on at the very least, Microsoft can't say "I am the java founder."If you already following the microsoft @ mac @ else related history, you may know how they actually started the story. They are all bunch of 'genius', that luckily found something, learning on taking advantage on patenting and creating their own business niche.
PS: I admire their passion in computing. -
Till nw ok, wat abt new versions.. if IBM Releases JAVA 3.0 Like that !! Will it be a free source still !!
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Till nw ok, wat abt new versions.. if IBM Releases JAVA 3.0 Like that !! Will it be a free source still !!
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If they released a 3.0 (or whatever number) version under a proprietary license, the community would still have the code for older versions, and they'd be able to build upon it.
Again, I doubt they will do that. Besides, if Java contains any code or patches contributed from its community, they'd need the approval of each and every one of those contributors before releasing it as non-free. And that's just not feasible.
Stop worrying about it!
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This will give IBM control of a lot of open source software since Sun now owns MySQL. That's probably not a good thing.-
if java is not a free software, wil u prefer 2 use it..
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Java never achieved its potential and never will. Now there's Flex/Action Script which is open source and better than Java.
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It will be free & even if it is not free.. It's usable.-
Thankfs for ur Comment !!
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Sun has already released Java as an open source version. The worst (or best?) that IBM could do is run two versions of Java in parallel: the open source version and the propriety version.
IBM is traditionally very open source friendly, so don't fret too much.-
@Kiruba 2020 I've been a software developer for the last 6 years working with Java for the last 4 years... Java has been published under Open source license for more than 10 years now ever since the first version 1.0 till now version 1.6 and now java 7 (1.7) is out jdk 1.7 code name dolphine and it's entirely open source i believe now the entire technology stack is open source from jvm to the whole jdk. If IBM happens to actually buy java (which is not likely to happen) and i don't believe this is possible simply because the language is open source and has established a code base as well as a developers base unlike any other.. you simply can't buy open source in terms of buying an open source langauge, maybe products yes there are already so many commerical products sun do offer and many others.
A point to note out, IBM has long been one of the strong supporters to java and it's open source technologies.
@satijournal dear sir, i would like to inform you the difference between java and flex/action script. Java is a full fledge general purpose programming language used in enterprise level web/software solution development as well as the field of media engineering and technology from high end computer graphics and simulations to specialized application development. When we start talking about java we are talking about a programming language in the sense of C++, C# and many others.
Flex/action script is a scripting language that's used mainly and specificly for animations, media development and fancy UI for websites although adobe has introduced adobe AIR technology but it remains a language for RIA and we in Java have a counter technology in the development called JavaFX. Same goes for DotNet and it's SilverLight technology.
Bottom line no.. Java programming language will remain an open source programming language. -
I wouldn't compare Java to C++ since C++ is compiled to machine code and Java is compiled into byte code, which needs a RTE to run (although technically, it can be compiled to native machine code). Flex/Action Script is not a scripting language as its name implies. It's compiled into byte code like Java and has the potential for enterprise applications.
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I wouldnt compare a RIA application development language to a general purpose programming language either... When i mentioned Java in the same sense of C++, C# and many others it was intended to be understood that Java is a general purpose programming language. Now if we compare C++ with java we'll find that java has been built on top of many concepts and even the syntax similarity between both the languages. Except for the fact Java simply cleaned up C++ (Am not aginst C++ in anyway i actually decent from it..) Now i believe you mean JRE not RTE to interpret Java byte code, and yes Java byte code can be converted into platform specific native code but then you'd lose the one most important feature of java that is "Write once, run anywhere!" and just for the record Java is both compiled and interpreted(let's not get into order of magnitude since we are 2009 and java now has Hotspot compiler!)
Action script is a scripting language based on ECMAScript used mainly for RIA development and a some form of event based coding using Adobe flash products. Compiled into binary format SWF for web embbeded animations and website development. If we are talking about AS3 yes it's now OO and it's more Java-like but that doesn't make it less of a scripting language. Python is purly OO same as Ruby but both are still scripting languages. And the three, AS, Python and Ruby are dynamicly typed languages unlike Java, C++ and C#
As for AS having the potentials for enterprise application development, i highly doubt this fact the language as i said ever since it existed and has been utilized for RIA and Client side application development. A language capable of Enterprise level solution development would require both support for Server side and Client side coding(Client side in some cases quite optional that's where languages like AS come in) The language is capable of doing high level and low level networking in terms of application level network protolces like http/ftp..etc as well as raw sockets. The language is capable of commuincating with Web services, consuming SOAP and has language bindings to enable RPC type of web services, and currently the latest AS3 is actually quite OO but still that does not classify it as a full fledge general purpose programming language like Java, C++ and C#.-
As I said, it has the potential for enterprise applications. C++ has been around since around 1980 and Java since about 1990, so they've had a lot more time to mature. Flex/Action Script is still relatively new and is only beginning to come into its own. C# could be put into a different category since it's only for the MS platform. Since the release of Flash 9 and AS3, Flex/AS can be run on all the popular platforms.
With Java getting into RIAs, it will be interesting to see what happens. A little competition is always good. (and, of course, MS's proprietary Silverlite. They'll have to muscle people into using it) -
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What do you mean by free? Free speech or Free Beer?
And don't worry.. both the speech and Beer will be free as far as the licensing is concerned.
I read somewhere that IBM might change its license from GPL to Apache.. I am not sure but was on some blog I read.
I personally am a Torvalds minded guide rather than a Stallman guy so it doesn't really matter much to me.. as long as it is free beer and gets the job done
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