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what you think if a man marry to man
Posted by amitchopra22 • 1 year ago • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS]
this may be athing which can hurt someone like me cause it is against nature. what you think
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law passed in California, i think so ~
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well, Homosexuality is not a sickness or disease but the detention of the progressive evolvement to the next stage. -
Gay always existed, it was just something taboo that the people don't want to talk about. Now that they have the courage to show off. Why not let them have a happy life. -
dropping a link as a shout on ur shout box, do check it out !
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Against nature ... I've heard that so many times.
Homosexuality is prevalent throughout the animal kingdom. We know this, we choose to ignore it. -
Who cares? You're not doing it, so why should it be your concern?
If you don't like gay marriage, then don't have a gay marriage. If you don't want OTHER people to have a gay marriage, too bad.-
MAN ... you always have the replies I wanna say.
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I want to marry a woman and i am a woman... If I married a man that would be against my Sex appeal... is that a part of nature? ummm
What do I do if I am not attracted to the opposite sex like a woman is supposed to be? Should I get some Rosary Beads and drink some of that Prayed over water and dance like a southern Baptist?
Like do this every Sunday and I should be clean right. I will be too tired for any man or woman after that Rubbish!!! -
I think I don't know what 'athing' means.
And I think that if they want to be married, who am I to tell them they shouldn't? -
The whole "unnatural" argument has been debunked time, time again.
If it's so "unnatural," then explain the bonobo apes. Huh? What about them polygamous, pansexual bonobo apes? How about any of the other hundreds of species that engage in homosexual activity?
Then consider that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone (but bigotry towards homosexuals sure does).
Do you know what's less natural than homosexuality? Homophobia. Know what else is less natural than homosexuality? Language.
Think about it: Humans are the only animals on the planet that have a systematic language or writing system. Hell, we're the only animals who engage in heavy industry and build powerful computers. All of these things are unnatural.-
voodoo, perhaps you're being a little tongue-and-cheek by saying that human language is "unnatural"? Your tongue-and-cheek reply style is pretty hillarous at times. -
I'm glad you caught on.
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We've had gay marriage here in South Africa for a couple of years now. It hasn't damaged "traditional" marriages or created any kind of problems...in fact, it is just transparent here.
Presuming you are a straight male, I would guess that gay marriage doesn't have any personal effect on you, you are just emotionally opposed. Ok, that's rather repressed, but you are entitled to be repressed and to feel that way. What you are NOT entitled to, however, is to disparage or control others based on your feelings.
You don't like gay marriage? Don't engage in one. But leave everybody else alone.-
I think it's all about the culture and the law of the country.. hein
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I think if two people want to be together -- then they should. If two individuals wish to get married, female or male, that's their business. -
Is it legal where you live in India???-
No. It's not.
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Ah, another arbitrary piece of legislation meant to dictate people's lives and control their lifestyles.
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why not?
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Because it would cause a riot. And a bloody one at that too.
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Actually, homosexuality exists in nature between wild animals, so it would suggest it is a natural thing - that is if you don't believe it otherwise. The closest animal relative to human, the bonobo chimpanzee, is bisexual. They will do anyone with a heart beat. But then again, you may not believe we are related to animals, am I right?
So to answer to your question, I think no differently about a gay marriage than I do about hetero sexual marriage.
BTW, does anyone know what is the divorce rate of gay marriages compared to straight marriages?-
Incest exist in nature..wanna help shed some light there?
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It's a fallacy to relate the two, GFG.
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Oh well, natural and acceptable is two different things, aren't they? If this discussion would have been about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable, then the nature wouldn't have come to play.
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I do know that legalizing gay marriage does not negatively impact the divorce rate of heterosexual marriages, so I don't see why people are so threatened by it.
Are you people really afraid that your son is gay or your daughter is a lesbian? Or is it more of a fear of your own desires?
I think we can call this argument the "Argument from Insecurity." -
Threatened by it? I was just being curious. I actually thought the gay marriage divorce rate would be lower than the straight marriage rate, because they have had to do real soul searching to get that far, unlike straight people who jump into marriages like they were roller coasters. I have no data on this myself, I was just asking if anyone else knew.
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-_- Not you. I was answering your question, then speaking in general. I should drink more coffee in the mornings.
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All right. Yeah, I kind of do understand why some people are so threatened by it, it has nothing to do with logic of course... Especially in cultures where religions are in very prominent position, it is hard not to be opposed to it as you have been taught that it's wrong and the Satan will get you for even allowing it to happen.... Sad.
I was just blogging about religions yesterday, they make me feel so helpless sometimes. -
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Yeah, about the power of religion over people's minds. I have nothing against people who have "beliefs" even if they worshipped a rock, I don't care, but when they start trying to force themselves and others into a mould that God is supposed to like then I become very saddened. Like in this case, try to stop homosexuality or even masturbating, because, apparently it's equally wrong to have sex with your hand as it is to have sex with a member of the same sex.
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""this may be athing which can hurt someone like me""
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Ahhh, I just realized athing is a thing. How can this hurt you?? What am I missing here? Is someone of your sex forcing you to marry them? Then how the frell are you being hurt?-
hurt his eyes
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[hurt his eyes]
Then he should use this marvelous biological technology we have called "EYELIDS." -
He means he's "offended" by it.
Dang, where's Chelle when you need her ? -
Hmm, I don't recall seeing a law anywhere that says, "All citizens of [country] have the right to not be offended."
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Wonder why he even started this thread. He's not been back to check on the replies yet.
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"All citizens of [country] have the right to not be offended.""
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This is sort of another topic of discussion, but I encounter a lot of people that think they should be able to go through life without ever having to deal with someone that does not agree with them. The world should be catered to their wants and beliefs and if they don't like it, it should not exist.
I want to smack them, hard, and say just suck it up and move on. Seriously.
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Also in nature some mothers eat their babies so the argument that in nature some animals do certain things doesn't mean that is is allowed in humans. AT any rate, it is a free world so do whatever you like. It is more a subjective and personal thing.-
Talking about "nature" is pretty damn broad. Black widow spiders eat their mates! Imagine what that would be like:
"Hey, I'm gonna lose my virginity tonight." - Famous last words.
Just because one or two animals engages in a certain activity doesn't make it natural. When HUNDREDS do it, it becomes part of nature. WE might not like it, but nature doesn't give a shit. -
"'Hey, I'm gonna lose my virginity tonight.' - Famous last words."
ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, I'm not contributing to this conversation at all....i'm outta here!
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Exactly so it is a personal choice. In my opinion it just goes against my code but others have other codes but the butt hole was designed for somethings and not for others but hey, that is me. PEACE
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Well that is your opinion. I am not saying that one might have inclinations. It is like, some children are born addicted to drugs because their parents consumed it during pregnancy. Therfore, he should comsume drugs because his body wants it? It is just an example, but as I said, it depends. There are many things that my body wants to do but I restrain it do to my Christian Background and because the Bible is against it. Others are different and if it is all right with then perfect. I am totally against organisations like www.godhatesfags.com because these are just lame and pathetic. I am not God to judge so it is a personal thing in the opinion if it is good or bad.
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Your example of the parent DOING SOMETHING WRONG which makes the child DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING WRONG is not compatible with the parent doing NOTHING and the child desiring to have relations with the same gender.
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Respect her choice. It is her life. I would state my point but I will be there for her.
Maybe the same if your son wants to be a pastor or minister. -
Would you state your point if the child was a heterosexual?
If it's necessary in one case, it's necessary in the other. -
I would raise my children through what I think is right but they have to find their own way. I would try to do the best I can as a father that wants the best for them.
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But, that doesn't really answer my question.
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Is this a parenting test ? lol... I would teach them the old Christian way (and that answers it) But they will reach their own time where they will choose their own way.
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[Would you state your point if the child was a heterosexual?]
You said you would "state your point" if the child was a homosexual. My question was a simple yes/no question about if you would do the same if the child was a heterosexual.
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I would tell them man with woman and woman with man. It is just how I view it but there will be no need to stress it because one leads by example. Anyway, let me have a kid first, although I might not have one. I would state my position regardless.
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So you would choose the path of slight intolerance?
I would just make sure their choice isn't just an attempt at rebellion (just support the decision; that usually works), then I would make sure they were informed and responsible enough to live their choice of lifestyle healthy. -
Well, you have a different background than I do so we will differ but I your point makes sense.
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If they aren't contracting any diseases, and it makes them happy, we have no right to judge. At all.
Your religion might condemn it; and if so, why not condemn your religion? You can believe in God and not believe a word of the Bible. (Although I personally don't see the point, many people do this.) -
I wouldn't judge them. As I said it is their life.
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[I would state my position regardless.]
[I wouldn't judge them. As I said it is their life.]
Then how do you state your position without first making a judgment? The only way is to also state your position toward heterosexual children. That's why I originally asked that question. -
Because it is not "my" position. It is God's (according to the bible) But of course, if one doesn't believe in God then this would have no validation. I would never try to convince anyone. But I would let my son know what the Bible says because I am a Christian.
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(Note that I said daughter in my previous example.)
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I would too. But that is the "natural" way in Christianity so it would be redundant but of course I would.
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Don't care. I don't find myself particularly interested or impacted by the choices adults make in regards to marriage, heterosexual or otherwise. -
Why do Hetero People day dream about gay sex?
I mean why do assume all gay people want is sex. We want to have the same problems in life as you do!
why deny of us a costly divorce and money spent on a premenstrual agreement!!
Why can't we sit up and complain like the rest of married couples?
Cause you are sick pervs that's why... you are so focused on gay sex, than the gay person's LIFE...
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I'm willing to wager that the most radical anti-gay Conservatives are at least bi-curious. All they know is their own urges, and that's all they can think about.
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If it said in the bible, that men are supposed to be with men and women are supposed to be with women, would you do it? Homosexuality isn't a choice any more than heterosexuality is a choice. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. You do not choose to like something. YOu just do or you don't. I had gone through really terrible things because of it with my family, and I wished more than anything that I was not like that. Trust me it wasn't a choice. I would not choose to go through what I have. -
i think it is right some where we all know about this from the very begining but society doesnt accept this so we are. all knows and many have been in these types of relationship from childhood because of unawareness.
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Incoherent much?
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oh voodoo, be nice...there is obviously an ESL situation here. Oh, wait...I was supposed to get outta here!
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WTH is that CRAP! ENGLISH PLEASE! I dont understand Hindi English
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Wow ... he's either siding with us or he's not.
Even I cant read that. -
It's Schrodinger's forum post!
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Wait I think I got it.
He says that homosexuality is ok in some places but well know that since civilization began society has not accepted it and thus we dont. Everyone knows about it and have indulged in such relationships since childhood because of unawareness.
Crap. I'm confused again. -
So, if your translation is true, then he's saying we're all gay? I'll be damned. I could have swore I was into girls. Dang.
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Most fast growing post of the day..
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That's because this is one of the hottest controversies. I wish it would be a non-issue. I don't care what gay people do behind closed doors, and I'm sick of people who think it's their business.
I don't even care what gay people do outside of the bedroom.
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" ... homosexuality is ok in some places but we all know ... "
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WTH is this dude.... sounds like ANOTHER spammer
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I don't have a problem with gay marriage/homosexuality, but I'm sick of everyone ganging up on and hating on anyone who thinks that gay marriage/homosexuality is wrong. Many people are taught in their religion that it is wrong, so if they are truly believers, it makes perfect sense for them to be against it. It's not that they're just hateful people who want to get in everyone's business. In Christianity especially, believers are taught not to allow certain things to go on in your home or country. If they do allow certain things to go on, they are taught they can be judged for it, not just the people doing it. You shouldn't hate someone for their beliefs. Now if the person had said, gay marriage is wrong and I'm gonna shoot the next gay couple I see, then I could understand anger.-
How about spammers? do you hate them?
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I know ... I know but the argument that it is unnatural touches a few nerves. I've heard that a thousand thousand times and the same argument is used in other debates too. I'm just sick of it, thats all.
Someone doesnt like it, fine ... but when they condemn said people as unnatural ... it just pisses me off.
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ahh... now we are talking. Spammers really bug me.
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I'm not sure what I think about the issue. I'll have to ask my husband who I adore with all my heart.-
Aww man .. best reply ever.
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As a heterosexual man, I think it is a great idea for men to marry each other. The more men are married to each other the less competition I have for finding a woman. If all men in the world except me were to marry each other, the phone numbers I get might actually be the woman who gave it to me. That would be a nice change.-
rofl!
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LOL. Great answer. I'm helping out.
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Thanks Bradley, I could use the help
What do you think about gay polygamy? -
xmarks: gay polygamy -> more women for you, right?
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Kobra: it is all about supply and demand
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xmarks,
I was the biggest whore before I got married. Now that I'm married I only have sex with my one and only. I think polygamy is a form of abuse. -
Well Bradley, thank you for your whoring days. You loving monogamy, while touching, isn't really helping my cause.
I think there are types of polygamy. The type were some religious leader forces some 14 year old to be the 5th wife of her cousin, yeah that is bad. What if four or five people, regardless of gender, freely choose to get together and say this is our family. We promise to love and support each other as husbands and wives. Would you see that as abuse too? -
You mean polygamy outside of the confines of an abusive cult? If all parties involved are happy with it, what's the problem?
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It's not against nature--it's against some people's religious beliefs but no one who's studied human sexuality would make the claim that it's unnatural.
Actually, I correct that, "marriage" might be unnatural. That's up to debate. Sex between people of the same gender is not.
And how on earth does it hurt you?-
I should clarify part of that comment--I mean that marriage, or monogamy, in general could be called unnatural.
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As to the argument that we shouldn't get mad at people because of their homophobic religious beliefs, I'll do what I can't stand and post a link to a blog post I wrote on the subject (actually, it's one of my typically rambling posts, which touches on other touchy issues but the relevant part is the last paragraph):
yogaforcynics.blogspot.com/2008/06/hatred-by-any-other-namesmells.html-
(Let me state again for new readers, I personally don't have a problem with gay marriage/homosexuality.)
#1, Dr Jay, you should differentiate between people with religious objections to homosexuality who are of the belief "the Bible says it's wrong, but who am I to judge" and the ones who are militant about it and hate homosexuals.
#2, Being an ass to people with homosexual objections is an exercise in futility. You won't change their views and YOU will be the one coming across as intolerant.
I've always been an advocate of free thought/free speech, no matter what the thought might be. I try to see where people are coming from before criticizing them.
"Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." -
Who said anything about free speech? I haven't seen anybody here say that homophobic speech should be illegal. No one's even said that amitchopra22 should be reported for putting up an offensive topic. He's practicing his free speech and those who are disagreeing are practicing theirs. The only rights being questioned, here or in society as a whole, are those of gay people.
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It is a matter of free speech when people are attacked and belittled for their beliefs to the point of fear of discussing them. It is infantile when people cannot have civil discussions with people of different persuasions.
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They aren't "attacked and belittled" for their beliefs; they're criticized.
www.kobrascorner.com/opine/nothing-is-sacred.php
People need to grow a pair and take a little harsh honesty once in a while.
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I'm not gonna attack your character....why would someone marrying someone of the same sex/gender whatever you want to call it effect you unless you were the person getting married?
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just get the heck out of there.. lolz.. thts their wish tho.. but irates and irritates others -
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To those who bring up the Bible: how do you feel about slavery? In the same parts of the Bible where homosexuality is condemned, slavery is condoned.
Actually, "condoned" might not be a strong enough word. Read the story of Hagar--in which God commands a slave to return to her owner and continue being raped by him. -
That's a pretty packed statement drjay. I haven't "brought up the Bible" in this discussion. In fact, I haven't participated except to laugh at Voodoo's witty remarks, so I know you aren't speaking personally to me. However, just to answer your example, looking at the historical context of the Bible, I don't think it's fair to say that the Bible "condoned" slavery (or even to say slavery had broad support in the Bible). Slavery was simply part of the social order of the people whose journey the Bible chronicles.
Now to the story of Hagar, I don't think there's historical evidence to support your view that she was "raped" by Abraham. Hagar lived during the Middle Kingdom period in Egypt and an was Egyptian slave of Sarah. Sarah chose Hagar to bear a son to Abraham. According to the socio-heirarchical order of Middle Kingdom Egypt, it would probably have been considered an honor and social promotion - if you will - for a slave to be chosen as a "second wife" of a clan leader. This seems absurd to us today, but remember, we're talking about at least 1500 years B.C., here.
Now as for God "commanding" Hagar to return to Sarah after Hagar fled Sarah, the greater context of the story reveals that Hagar was pregnant with Ishmael at the time she fled. She could possibly have miscarried Ishmael in the process of fleeing. The greater context also reveals that God promised to make Ishmael "into a great nation". Ishmael is considered in both Jewish and Islamic custom to be the ancestral "father" of Arab people.
Thus, if you take the whole account in context, God did not command Hagar to return to Sarah because he condoned slavery, but rather because he was preserving the "nation" that she was carrying.-
Hagar loved Abraham. She ran away b/c his wife Sarah was being mean to her.
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I would love to see the entire United States make gay marriage legal so I could see the light in my best friend's eyes as she walks down the aisle. She like many others live through the pain of being ridiculed for their sexuality their whole life. To deny them the right to marry is just plain cruel. I cannot see why a person (religious or not) would want to hurt someone else by denying them that right.
So what do I say if a man marries another man?
I say: Good for you honey, save me some cake.-
Hell yes. Cake is awesome!
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If homophobes hate gays, it seems that they would be in favor of gay marriage so gays can experience the torture of marriage that heteros take for granted, lol.
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That's why I say, "I am against all forms of marriage."
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Yes, I'm sure it hurts you SO much. How again?
I can't believe that people still use the unnatural argument for homosexuality and/or gay marriage being wrong. If they thought about it for two seconds, they should realize that it's absolutely ridiculous. Not only is homosexuality found throughout nature as others have pointed out, but many of the things that these people support, use, and participate in are unnatural. When you get right down to it, marriage and religion are unnatural. I'm not saying these things are bad, but that's another point: whether something is unnatural or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's good or bad. In addition, the argument that something unnatural is necessarily bad makes pretty much everyone who uses it a flaming hypocrite because, if they live in a civilized society, it's guaranteed that they do something unnatural. Thus, the unnatural argument is a colossal failure for not just one, but THREE reasons:
1. It's untrue.
2. It's completely irrelevant to whether something is good or bad.
3. It makes you a hypocrite.
Therefore, it is my sincere advice that people stop using the "unnatural" reasoning as an argument against homosexuality. It doesn't work, and it doesn't make you look good on top of it. I'm really only trying to protect you from yourself.-
(claps loudly) That was beautiful. Couldn't have said it better myself!
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I think it is disgusting No matter what the new rules say. -
Man is this still going on ?
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Unfortunately.
This is what happens when a bunch of opinionated jerk-offs get their hands on a non-issue. -
I talked about this thread to a friend of mine. He agrees with the unnatural concept.
Even after all the scientific evidence pertaining to show that it was anything but, he refused to budge and infact went back to the old theory of it being a disease.
Society, maybe has a hand in this. In India I KNOW that that is the case.
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I read a science fiction book a long time ago where the author imagined a future where marriage would evolve into multiple partners, for example 4 or 6 partners in a single union and all partners would be sexually attracted to all the other partners, so you'd end up with 4 or 6 bisexual people in a single marriage. Now that would really upset a few people-
Yeah, and a lot of people would approach it as they do Brave New World.
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Against nature? Are you a scientist? If you were you would realize that your statement is completely false. I hate when people make comments like that but really don't know anything they are talking about.
I accept the fact that you and others can be against it and I can respect that. I do not feel that you have to have the same opinions as me but watch how you word things.
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