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Who is the Creator of Humankind?
Posted by thefiveelements • 4/16/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: beliefs, creation, Evolution, God, humanity, philosophy, religion, Spirituality, truths
We all know that humans enter this world through a woman's womb, but when you think about the process backwards to how humans come into this world, you'll end up with the question, "how then, did the first human come to the world, if he or she did not come through a woman's womb?" YOUR THOUGHTS
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the chicken?-
get serious....it is the egg
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aliens!
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it was jason reeves of blackpool, lancashire UK -
Isn't it God? It's too sad to know that you don't believe HIM.-
Sure, because everything you can't explain is done by god. Including heating up your microwave dinner, since you don't know how a microwave actually works.
Am I right?
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ALMIGHTY GOD of course-
Agree
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Does god disapprove of lower case?
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THE ALPHA & THE OMEGA
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course.
And Zalgo is the destroyer.-
My vote's is for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. (I've been touched by His noodly appendages.)
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The universe.-
God created the UNIVERSE
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Yes but how? What God?
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The of Creator of the humankind is the One Who created the whole universe and who created things that we are aware of and also everything that we have not discovered.
He informed us very well how the 1st human being was created. By revealing His books , and sending His Messengers.
Also informed us how and why He created everything is clearly described in His last Book that He revealed and His book is still present on earth with not a single word added or modified by anyone of His creatures. Unchanged , and still in the language in wich it was revealed . Wich is not difficult to understand .
I gave u the hints, now it's seeker's job to find and reach.
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ALMIGHTY GOD (ALLAH)..... with the passage of time he prove his presence in front of Us through Holy Books, Messengers & different miracles.-
Yes because when it's written in a book it must be true!
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i totally agree with this, Allah Almighty is creator of all univers
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Well...this thread got less fun very quickly...
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I still think it was Jason
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Nice bloke. I owe him a pint.
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I'm voting for Morgan Freeman
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Does he have a suitable hat for such occasions?
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I'm sure he has a white trilby to go with the obligatory white suit...
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Excellent excellent, he does have a good voice for the job. Should we start a religion?
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Morganism? Freemanism?
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I think so...should it be called Morganism or Freemanism?
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I love Morganism! i shall begin contruction of my church this very evening
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Sounds too much like that Utah religion
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God, of course. If want a scientific answer then I will go with Darwin theory.It is difficult to say anything with authority on this subject.
Let us believe god is the creator of humankind.
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It was a bit of dirt here, some gases there...some water and essential liquids mixing there....kinda like cooking you know? they just all mixed in and voila. Human Being..well..the beginnings of one.-
i hear we are all made of stars
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mwaybob; Stars & Jason Reeves, that is. -
Sounds like flatulence.
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A discussion of evolution, aliens, supreme beings and a spagetti monster? What did I stumble upon here. It is easier to keep new friends and old if you do not discuss one's religeous or political beliefs. With that said, feel free to yell at me, but I believe in evolution. Science proves where we came from. I raise reptiles and their food source, I see evolution/mutation with every birth/death. Seeing something with your own eyes is truly the way to learn. Believe what you read in a book(s), some call that being brainwashed. Some of us on this planet choose to live our life knowing one day someone might be celebrating our death.-
You are quite right. This is no place to discuss and win converts for any religious view (and there are thousands of them!) Here, we should met as friends respecting others by not calling their religious viewpoints into question.
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no, me!
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Okay, let's solve this.
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe ...
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Re: The title
Is there even a creator (implied intent) of mankind? Shouldn't we establish an answer for this before we move on to "who" questions?
["how then, did the first human come to the world, if he or she did not come through a woman's womb?" YOUR THOUGHTS]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_evolution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_reproduction-
yes, sir...
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Sexual reproduction?
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Well...when forced to pick one I will have to go with sexual repro..
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I don't mean to sound pessimistic here, but not a single one of us knows "for sure" how we got here or where were going afterwards .. and that is a fact..
Some of us choose to believe in one concept or another and if that gives people faith, hope & comfort then that's all that really matters isn't it.. -
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Many are in denial of the existence of a Creator (God) based on their intellectualism, because intellectualism values sight over common sense, therefore when it comes to the understanding of the unseen, intellectualism becomes an interruption to the human spirit, by making it unable to confirm the realities of the unseen.
Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it does not exist. There are many elements that manifest within our own selves that cannot be seen, or touched, but that does not mean they don’t exist. The oxygen we breathe cannot be seen or touched, but that does not mean it doesn’t exist.
The existence of a Creator (God) should not be doubted due to many factors that are within the grasp of human Knowledge. All creations within the universe manifest in a cosmic order that is beyond coincidental. Just think about this with a clear consciousness: Human beings are just one of many Creatures on the planet earth, and the planet earth is just one of many planets in a solar system, and there are many solar systems in a galaxy, and there are many galaxies in the universe, and the universe expands far beyond human knowledge. So to consider that all these existences accidentally came to being, that is Pure Foolishness of the human spirit.
Here is a link for more details about the existence of God the Creator of creations:
thefiveelementsalltruthsrevealed.blogspot.com/2009/01/devil-revealed-part-1...-
Wall of text, huh? COUNTERSPELL.
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you raise a good point about oxygen, I can't see it and there is absolutely no way at all to test if it is there, just like god, but we know it is there, so why not god?
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Yeah damn intellectualism for blinding us with science! Damn the wheel and medicine! We should let mother nature have her wicked way with us!
By the way, I'll be opening a loin cloth and spiked club mega store at a cave near you soon!
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The One True God.-
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The One and Only Jason Reeves of Blackpool, Lancashire UK?
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THE ALPHA & THE OMEGA
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haha .,,
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This is God :b
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He needs a dentist bad
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Great question! I've spent more than 20 years studying nine major Teachings from around the world to try to find answers to these types of questions. Here's what I think the Teachings would say: your *spirit* was created by the Divine at the same time all other *spirits* were created. The sentence "Let there be light" is the creation of *us* as spirits on a spiritual plane. Now, how we ended up on this material plane in mortal bodies is a much longer story... -
I'm going with Al Gore. He created us right after the internet.-
He's going to cure us of our global norming too.
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Oh, it is you again, just waiting for an opportunity to jump in with disrespectful behavior. This is not a humorous topic, and the reader Xmarks can respond for himself. If you continue your disrespectful behavior, when you get your paycheck, you will not be envied. See if that is funny
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What paycheck? Also, I don't want your envy.
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I'm really honored. Aliens, cartoon characters and some guy named Jason didn't get any response from the self appointed god squad.
As for "deductions" "god" sees fit to make on either of our "paychecks", that is really between us and "god". Aren't christians supposed to "judge not lest you be judged" and "vengance be mine sayth the lord". -
spirit, lighten up brother...a little humor never hurt anyone. in fact smiling is supposed to help extend your life expectancy!
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"Who is the Creator of Humankind? "
The only honest answer to this question is that we truly don't know...
Who created the creator ?
What is nothing and how can something come from nothing ?
Mankind should be more thankful for the blessings of the renewable resources that sustain life on Planet Earth and make an effort to stop ruining these renewable resources that sustain life on Planet Earth...
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According to Genesis, man and women were born from nothing at the same time by god. Unfortunately, since the book was written by multiple authors who never read each other's work, the universe is created a second time, where man is born from a pile a dirt and women is later born from man's rib bone.
Or if you wanted the real answer, modern day humans were born from an older species known as homo erectus.-
Oh no! We're all a bunch of homos!
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evolution. or aliens.-
Or aliens who came here and then evolved.
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The Aliens came and they....
danbern.redacorn.net/lyrics/nomissinglink.html
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Doesn't the "who" imply a person or at the very least a being with an ego and a personality? Seems kind of anthropomorphic to me.
The question seems pointless although it brings endless rounds of tribalism and drama. But I guess that's why people are drawn to religious threads. Pure entertainment.
In the end why does it even matter where we came from if we can't even appreciate our own existence by simply living and let live?-
It does not matter where we came from?
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Not if we waste the miracle of life itself on petty tribalism. Must we really spend our short lives trying to persuade others to believe like us? In this context, no, it does not matter where we came from. All we can do is speculate, theorize, or simply have a humble faith, believing in what can not be proven with our modern science.
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Actually, we can measure the existence of oxygen.
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oh yeah? how? with magic glasses? we can't see air and we can't see god...air exists...so god probably does too.
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Burn Magnesium, use an electron microscope to confirm that it has reacted with oxygen. That's just one way off the top of my head.
If you supercool oxygen to a liquid state, it exhibits diamagnetic properties. So, pour it in between the two charged sides of a U magnet and watch it form a plug.
There are dozens of other ways to do it, too.
Oxygen also burns a specific color, and has its own unique electron configuration (bright line spectra).
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yeah...well you can do that with God too...oh, wait...
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Yeah. What a shame, huh?
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you and your tricksy science...
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OK, God created Humankind, then who created God? ...humankind?-
You've got it, exactly. Man created god in his own image.
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Not me, I am not responsible for creating that terrible human race. To all those who are shocked... I cannot become a cat, I am condemned to be a human...
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I believe in the theory of the infinite; humans were never created, nor will they ever be destroyed. They have beeen there since infinity and would be there forever
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what about when the sun eventually explodes?
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I posted here yesterday, decided to come back and do some follow-up reading. People have answered from every end of the spectrum and everywhere inbetween. So, I reluctantly ask everyone this question. If God is the creator of all mankind and all that mankind sees, the who/what created the creator? Where or what are his origins to have the vast powers of creation?
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Thanks for elaborating my question.
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Just how important is this question to humanity right now?
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I have it. The Goldfish in the Egg Shell.-
Dang. And here I thought it was the invisible pink unicorn.
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Well, the Teachings have an answer for this one, too. It goes back to the concept of the Tao/Void, which (per the Tao Te Ching) is "older than God." The Tao/Void is very difficult to put into words; I'd refer you back to the Tao Te Ching to really do it justice. But the basic idea is that the Tao/Void is filled with infinite potential and is the ultimate source from which everything else springs through eternity. I sometimes think it's not so far-fetched to think of God achieving enlightenment within the Tao just as we (as spirits) are challenged to achieve enlightenment within the Mind of God -- where we really are. Now in answer to a possible follow-up question, the Tao Te Ching states, "I don't know where the Tao came from," so that's as far back in time as I can go!
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really it's very nice topics
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We evolved from fish. Grow up
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God created man and woman. Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Revelation 22:13 I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. There was no before Him. -
There is a Creator (God) that a human being can never fully understand. Humans are still on the basic level of understanding the realities of the unseen. It should not take much for one to realize that all elements within the universe did not come to existence by chance; it is a design of a divine Creator.
Humans are yet to have a full understanding of the unseen element that keeps one alive. It is obvious that what keeps one alive is an unseen element, because when one dies, all the seen of the one’s persona will still be visible: flesh bone & all. So if humans are yet to have full understanding of the unseen element that keeps them alive, then for humans to have full understanding of the unseen God that created humans would be out of the question.
Every creature of this planet has limitations to their knowing & Capability. For example, if all birds of the earth joined forces trying to build an airplane just because they know how to fly, their obstacle would be the limitation of their purpose in life, because the knowledge & capability of building a flying machine surpasses the purpose that birds are meant to manifest in life.
This metaphor applies the same to humans when it comes to having a full Understanding of God. If all humans joined forces as one trying to be God, or to have full understanding about God, limitations would be their obstacle, because what God can do surpasses what humans can ever do, and how God came to be surpasses what a human being can ever understand.-
I don't think we should give birds any ideas about joining forces...we all saw what happened when Tippi Hedren came to town...
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FSM-
Well, obviously if you look at it logically, one would think it's the FSM.
However, mounting anecdotal evidence and collaborative authorship efforts have finally convinced me that logic and science are just other forms of faith.
This is why I now believe that it was Jason Reeves of Blackpool, Lancashire UK. Of course, he denies it, which just proves that he is the true messiah!
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If the intent of this topic is genuinely speculative - then the sum total answer is, "We don't know". We don't know the chapter and verse of how creation came into being - this is where both science and faith try to fill in the gaps. Neither has any absolute certainty: if they did, then life might become pointless - imagine a world in which there was only one right dogma, proven to the nth degree. Our diversity creates beauty, it creates multiple perspectives on what we see.
But I don't think this thread is intended to be a discussion of this nature - what it appears to me, is following in a chain of threads in which some people wish to promote their certainty to the detriment of any other explanation.-
Morgan Freeman is the Dude and he will defeat Saruman and destroy the Matrix. Once you accept this truth you will live forever in the Twilight Zone.
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Oh good. Rod Serling is one of my heroes.
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By the way..you know that BBC Radio 7 are playing Twilight Zone episodes...you can listen on the iPlayer
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Ah, I've been locked into Radio 3 and Radio 4 - I thought 7 did mostly comedies. I'll definitely take a look!
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easy only one God-
TRUTH
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Yes, it is obviously Jason Reeves of Blackpool, Lancashire UK. I'm going to add him on facebook.
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I hear Jason has taken his hat out of storage in an attempt to look more holy.
- If you can be bothered waiting in line he is healing/curing people again this monday coming - 10am to 3pm -
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ROFL!!!!
Best answer yet!!
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Anyone who is trying to disprove the existence of God can do it with one single question: “Where is God”? This is the major question many of the people who disbelieve or are trying to disprove God use as their legitimate ground.
But when you analyze this question with an open consciousness, you’ll realize that the question itself does not stand on rational ground, because it is not rational to dismiss anything just because you don’t see it. There are many indubitable existences that are not seen & cannot be dismissed, such as the oxygen we breathe & the unseen element that keeps us alive. So to dismiss God just because you don’t see God can be seen as ignorance or pure hypocrisy.
It really shouldn’t take much analysis for one to realize how all the existences within the universe manifest each in their own unique way, it is not by chance or random act of nature.-
Well, since you put it that way, I must admit that I'm convinced.
That's why I now believe in Russell's teapot.
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Exactly! That's the only argument atheists have and it's really not very clever at all...I mean, think about it...there are loads of invisible things that exist....fairies, ghosts, angels...these atheists need to WAKE UP and accept that their only argument is really really stupid. -
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exactly! It's almost like people don't want to accept the truth...they just ignore all the evidence that god exists because they are stubborn. It's so obvious that god did it all...if they stopped reading all those other millions of books and only read the one book that mattered they would see that.
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Well, I'm glad that you all believe that there's a teapot flying through space between Mars and the third rock from the sun. I thought I was the only one.
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Of course you can see oxygen; all you have to do is ignite it. Didn't you ever do the old fashioned burning splint into a test tube full of oxygen experiment? Or was being too close to said experiment an early influence on your philosophical outlook?
There are many good arguments in favour of God; however, you are repeating none of them. Rather, you are attempting to mask an unsophisticated argument in pseudo-sophisticated rhetoric. If you want to do God a favour, drop the royal "we", drop the attempts at explaining concepts of which you only have a marginal awareness, and stop being condescending towards those who do not share your beliefs. The prayer goes, "Not me, but Christ in me be magnified" - rather, you are apparently using this site for the glorification of your own point of view rather than approaching the weighty topic of the meaning of man's existence with the requisite humility. -
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Your views are just biased by scientific prejudice and clear thinking. Clearly, you haven't read The Five Elements, which explains it all. Everything. Even where and why your one sock always disappears in the washing machine. Even who our one and only true creator is.
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Oh damn, I should have realised the Creator came from Blackpool. It was the one place I hadn't looked for God. He's a sly one. -
That's ok. You can drive with me to Blackpool when we go to meet our creator and pick up our lost socks.
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I take it that Jason created the universe by letting a Blackpool doner kebab go mouldy. The multitudinous forms of life proceeded outward from the Holy Kebab. This not only explains the universe, it also explains doner kebabs.
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Gee, I'm glad we don't need evidence to believe something. It makes the kebab story so plausible.
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@greencurmudgeon: “If you cannot challenge the message, discredit the messenger”. This is a familiar strategy that hypocrites often use. Stay on the topic
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yeah, greencurmudgeon...whatever you did at school with splints (or spliffs..) has nothing to do with god.
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I take it that you pulled that quotation out of a book of famous cliches. I have argued with you substantively before and have done so again - you retreated to the rather silly example that because one cannot see the air, that somehow it is not there, and because we cannot see God, he is just as there as the air. This is sophistry at its finest (or worst). But as I just pointed out to you, the air can be seen.
My biggest problem with you is that you cannot *prove* there is a God to the exclusion of every other explanation; true faith would be found in believing in God in spite of the uncertainty. But rather you are so uncertain in your faith that you feel the need to inhabit the Blog Catalog discussion board and try to post repeatedly in the vaguely Gobbelsian hope that repetition will obscure and cow debate.
I should add for the purposes of balance: science has similar problems *proving* there is no God. When someone deals in absolutes, the burning scent of error more often than not accompanies them.
If there is a God, and I do not profess to have an absolute answer on this, I have doubts that He would want us to adhere to one single explanation or single creed. Humanity is at its best when it searches, when it reaches towards the unknown; if we know everything, then that process stops, we achieve stagnation, and stagnation is true death.
I suspect the concepts I have hitherto described will go right over your head(s). But again - you are doing your cause no credit by continuing to saturation bomb this board. Christ said unto His disciples, if you had the faith the size of a mustard seed, you could command a tree to plant itself in the sea and it would obey. You have so little faith that you cannot bring yourself to tolerate alternative explanations, rather, they need to be preached down. -
[If there is a God, and I do not profess to have an absolute answer on this, I have doubts that He would want us to adhere to one single explanation or single creed. Humanity is at its best when it searches, when it reaches towards the unknown; if we know everything, then that process stops, we achieve stagnation, and stagnation is true death.]
Well said!
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use." Galileo Galilei
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@greencurmudgeon: “Of course you can see oxygen”. If you were calling out for people who can see the oxygen we breathe with their naked eyes, you will not have many people on your side. And if the advancement of science enables one to see oxygen, the enlightenment of Spirituality enables one to realize the existence of God.
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yep, religion is always one step ahead of all this fancy knowledge and stuff
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I gave you a lengthy thesis to deal with, and you come back with a short, rather peculiar paragraph in reply?
Very well then. Under certain conditions, you can see oxygen - i.e., by igniting it. You can't ignite God. Thus the comparison between oxygen and God is fallacious.
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Take an empty cup. Turn it upside down. Put it under water and turn it over. Those bubbles that come out. Oxygen!!! No heavy science lifting required.
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Blasphemy! It's the devil farting in the water to fool us and to lure us away from the straight and narrow!
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I love the religious stance of "I'm not smart enough to understand it so it must be magic." That is usually followed by "Because there is no proof that it is your god, it must be my god that is true!"
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I went thru all the opinions and all people have expressed well,seriously and effectively.
Only some great seers have experienced the ultimate reality or God.Ordinary people can only discuss about God as we do now but it is like throwing a ball on to a wall..it will bounce back and can again throw..infinitely.Fine, if it is to pass the time but a waste, if it is to know the truth.For one thing, our sensory power is very limited to understand a stupendous thing like the ultimate reality or God.
I used to wonder in my childhood as to what was there in the begining, the mango or the kernel of a Mango fruit. For, without a kernel(seed)a mango tree could not have come into being but to have a kernel a Mango tree should have come first.Although I could not find an answer yet, I grew wise later on not to ask that question except for a joke.. -
I know this one. It was George Burns. I saw the movie and as we all know, movies never lie! -
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So much debate and complication...designed to cloak the truth.
Alpha Omega...all things would be a clue....how did we get into our present condition of perception and illusion..while all creation stands before us in plain sight? Separation....our free will attempting to create outside of creation...result...illusion.
The struggle began...and continues...collapse separation become one the vision of reality returns...simple...yet profoundly difficult.
A Feast before us...yet we starve...how silly !
Why so Serious...lets put a smile on that Face....
TRex--
I'll put another vote down for Jason Reeves of Blackpool, Lancashire UK then.
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Is that like a poodle on fire or a ....
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Ok it was the egg...the cosmic egg was laid..check the first few seconds of the big bang...it was an egg...go figure...!! You gotta crack a few eggs to make a universe...Chickens came later...needed to create the dilema..so we could all blog to infinity without a clue.
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Readers of this post: The existence of a divine creator (God) has generated debate throughout the ages, and humankind is yet to come to the same conclusion on this vital topic.
I was once spiritually blinded just like many who do not believe in God. As a Matter of fact, I didn’t just disbelieve in God, but I hated the idea of the existence of a divine God due to many reasons. I used to justify my disbelief & hatred towards God when people justified the destruction of Nature & Human insanity as, “The will of God”. I was not silent about my resentment towards God, but “The Five Elements” pulled me out from that darkness of despair & confusion.
As an individual, I am not “The Five Elements”. The Five Elements is a message to humanity, and as a member of humanity, I surrendered myself, and may I add, willingly surrendered to The Five Elements, by vowing to do whatever it is recommended for me to do to the best of my ability.
The Five Elements is information that is worth to take a closer look with an open consciousness, then you can make your own conclusion with your free will, to accept it or reject it, and no one will put a sword to your neck to influence your decision.
My purpose here is not to create debates or force anyone to accept “The Five Element”. I am simply presenting information. Information that I believe everyone needs the opportunity to access, and then they can make their own conclusion, and one has nothing to lose by doing so. -
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Any question has an answer, it is just a matter of finding it.
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Sure everything can have an answer but poeple don't always have the ability to find it, but who cares. How would knowing how humans came about change your life or situation today? It doesn't...
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Religious questions will never be answered because they do not produce testable hypotheses. Metaphysics is all about creative thought processes (a.k.a. making crap up and seeing if it fits).
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@becthomsphotograp: We care, it does matter, and there is an answer.
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@becthomsphotograp: We care, it does matter, and there is an answer.
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after u die, u will know who had created u.
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THAT IS FOR SURE.
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How could you be so sure? Did you die? Just wondering how can a person know something after he die if "knowing" involves the operation of the brain which is also dead.
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When people say this, I usually make them feel insecure about their faith then try to convince them that they really want to find out the truth and that suicide is the only means of doing so.
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ha! Kobra you so bad...
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Sure not me... I would feel very bad then
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Bob Human, he also discovered the rings around Uranus, or maybe he made them too, i fergetz.
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Once upon a time, this big man in the sky was bored and lonely, so he created man and woman to be his companions, and put them in a garden. But we didn't do what he said, and he had a tantrum and took away the garden. Later he disguised himself as a human and we killed him, or committed suicide, it get's confusing. Anyway, he got all pissed off again, and condemned us all to burn in fire for eternity unless we apologize. Everyone knows that. This God guy has a really seriously fucked up personality. Apparently very jealous, and has some serious abandonment issues. -
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OK....OK...how about this...
We created ourselves...then after realizing the magnitude of our mistake on the first attempt wound up in serious denial over it...we then made up fictional characters who no one actually knows or has ever seen to blame like God, Satan, Angels, Demons.., thus placing distance between ourselves and the reality of the perceived screwup...because no one seems to remember the actual facts after several thousand years of lying about it.. and there are no witnesses to the contrary, it all manages to morph into many religions, enigmas to debate and war over increasing the separation from truth even further...then when someone occasionally does remember and reminds others by pointing out the obvious ambiguities in our illusions..like we skip over in movies making them believable...we all choose to just ignore them or make wise cracks about it....freaking genius...but now what? Its kind of like Twitter..fun and interesting at first but them some of us begin to say..what in the hell are we doing...and why? Well...we are just being Twits of course...creating distractions from reality...
My question is this...are there any cheats available to achieve the next level...this shit is getting old.
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It could A white bearded guy writing commandments and telling people to kill their children and then thanking them for being obedient. It could be pure and utter chance. It could be mathematics, it could be nothing, it could all be a dream
Who knows?
Not you, not me.
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It wasn't me. Blame someone else.
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If I tell you that I found this computer by chance here , whould you beleive me ? ,
So nothing happens by chance
I beleive that Allah created everything .-
@RwanS: It is true that humankind did not come into existence by chance, and it is also true that ALLAH (God) has everything to do with it. This is our perspectve
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A female model cylon... at least according to "Battlestar Galactica".-
It was a female?
That explains quite a few things.
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Who is the creator of the creator of mankind? That's the real question.
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@voodooKobra: This is not a personal attack, but a general stament.
This kind of illusion of human’ mentality has always been one of the major problems of humankind. Before you know how to walk you must learn how to crawl. How can one know who created God while one is still confused how one came to be? Humans are always reaching out into the future while ignoring the responsibility of the present. Humans are searching for other planets while neglecting to take care the planet they inhabit.
Humans are searching for existences of lives in other planets while there are plenty of lives on this planet that need to be cared for. Humans are creating excitement of finding water on other planets while neglecting to provide clean water for all, which would not even be a challenge to humans due to their capability.
There is a start point for any progress. You have to first learn the meaning of letters in order to make a word, then a sentence, a paragraph, and that will open the possibility to write a book if one chooses. If you try to write a book without knowing the meaning your alphabet, that process will be confusing, just as many are when it comes to knowing God. You cannot know who created God while you are still confused about who created you. -
It's atheist scientists like you, Kobra, who are directly responsible for poverty. If you'd stop thinking about science and who created god and other such meaningless pointless things you would end poverty.
Maybe after you've worked out that god made you...then and only then should you start thinking about how it is possible that a god could exist. You have to start in the Stone Age and work forward...not start in the modern age! You're so illogical!
Fiveelements, you are really knowledgeable about how the world works, and you know how to think logically unlike some of the people here (especially the atheists who think things have to make sense before devoting their lives to it - how stupid!) I wish people would listen to what you have to say.
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I beg to differ that 'All the evidence points to random circumstance.'- This is very, very far from the truth. Look out for my book 'An Alternate History of Time and Space', published later this year- It will give you a very good idea to an answer with bags of historical and religious evidence from the last 6,000-10,000 years.
I've spent years of my life asking this very same questions, researching and have since formulated a hypothesis, in my book, of how it could have all happened. Most of the book is sourced facts and historical/religious evidence, covering all aspects of time and space with regards to the origins of intelligent life on this planet.
Once you have read through the historical and religious evidence I present throughout the book, I use only the information you have read and turn it into a crazy, yet highly plausible considering the evidence I have amassed over the years, hypothesis of how everything came to be and what is in store.
The editor's comment from when my book was first read by my publisher was 'For the record, I need to conduct my own research but this book has captured my imagination and explained more, simply written, than any religious text ever did.'
The big question is- Will faith still prove stronger than the facts after I've given a very simple explanation of how faith works on a cognitive level? -
What if God really does exist? That'd be the funniest joke of all. -
It couldn't have been Jason. He and I were out drinking together that night. But his twin brother was home alone.
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Besides, if God really exists, He would've paid me the $50 he owes me.
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My answer is that the anthropic principle gave birth to mankind. This actually is an accurate scientific answer. Except science can’t explain away the anthropic principle!-
How does the anthropic principle create life? As I understand it, it just shows us which universe we were created in.
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Whether God or evolution or the anthropic principle created humankind you have to admit they did a pretty lousy job.
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I hope so too.
In the words of a great philosopher, "If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out", and hopefully people will choose to replace it with The Five Elements.
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Now, that's funny! However, if your brain falls out I suggest you replace it with nothing. That could be nirvana.
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That's called organised religion.
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Organized religion: the last refuge of those who can't change their own diapers
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Luck.
For human kind that is.
Nor really for the universe.
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A poem: Earth's anger at God for putting people on it.
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More important question is who is the creator of Universe:)-
GOD
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That`s it...
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every time i poop i create life
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AND WHO CREATED YOU?
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Poo! we are came from poo cycle!
and we all came from star dust
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Extraterrestrial.-
AND WHO CREAED Extraterrestrial?
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Sorry, I was looking for the restroom and opened the wrong door. The Count knows NOTHINGGGGGGggggggggggg........................Count Sneaky
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GOD: The Existence God Can Be Proven Many Ways.
How much control do humans have over their lives is one Example from many that Proves the Existence of a Divine Creator. Humans have the will to choose; act and control their emotions, but no human being has full control over their lives, meaning whatever one chooses to act upon the outcome will be so as one chooses.
If humans have full control over their lives, the planet earth would be a small place even to five individuals, due to the greedy mentality of humankind.
But there is a Divine law within the universe that overrules human’s will, and this divine law of the universe is designed by a Divine Creator (God) who created all the elements within the universe and gave each & every creation the right amount of balance they need in order to function to their purpose.
But when it comes to understanding this Divine Creator (God) many humans are Spirituality blinded to even start with a rational approach.
Those who are waiting to see God in order to believe in God, they are not being rational, because the Invisible Makes the Visible a Possibility.
The element that keeps the living alive is INVISIBLE. The INVISIBLE enables the eyes to see what the eyes see, because without the INVISIBLE space between the eyes & what the eyes see, the eyes would not able to see what the eyes see.
These same metaphors apply the same to all the elements within the universe.
An INVISIBLE element (gravity) is what keeps the earth in balance. An INVISIBLE element (magnetic field) is what prevents lives of the earth from being incinerated by the intense heat of sun.
We can go on & on with this. Just because you don’t see God, it is not rational not to believe in God while there are plenty of existences that reveal the existence of a Creator (God).
However, there are dark elements within our world that blind the human Spirit from functioning to its true purpose, and for that reason when it comes to realization of God, it is easier for a Blinded Spirit to try to disprove or dismiss rather than rationalize.
The Existence of God Cannot be Disproved or Dismissed on a Rational Ground. Only the Spirit can realize the Existence of God, because human eyes are Incompetent to Determine What or Who Doesn’t Exist.
Here is a Link on More Elaboration on Who God Is & What God Is:
thefiveelementsalltruthsrevealed.blogspot.com/-
your opinion is interesting.
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Which one of the Five Elephants did it?
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God created humans.
I don't see how people think we got here by evolution. I have nothing in common with cats, dogs, birds, fish... and I think I am a heck of a lot smarter also than they are.
The Universe is too big. So God can be anyplace out there.-
I have nothing in common with cats, dogs, birds, fish... and I think I am a heck of a lot smarter also than they are.
All vertebrates have something in common.
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Actually John chapter 1 says the world was created through and by Jesus Christ. Same goes for Adam and Eve.-
Yes because when it's written in a book it must be true!
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Why do you need a creator?
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I think mankind will always wonder how they got on this planet!-
Not so much how we got here...but more importantly..how do we get off..evolve past the Zoo...that sort of thing...again..are there any cheats to this game...get to the next level without waiting for the numnuts to catch up....Hello !!!!
TRex
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Indeed. And will always think it was no accident...
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Mankind was created by the hand of God Himself. Woman came from man. Genesis 1-3 (bible)-
Yes because when it's written in a book it must be true!
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So thats it...click this link and yea shall know the truth...
Read the 5 elements...thats it...simple as that...done.
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I just write what I have believed,no other means. We trust there are wind, eventhough we never see wind, just can feel the blow. We here means we are created. By whom? by One God who created the first man.Existance humankind as a prove there must be a god.God must be one,not born or married.nor eat or sleepy.He created the firstman from soil.Then God blow soul into the body.He alive and move. but he so lonely, then God the almighty created his spouse.Then they walked on earth. When their sperm meet and become a meat, God through angle blow again soul.Actually, all the soul created at the same time, only come to body at difference time. We die (actually not die) because God through angle call us back by taking back the soul.the soul is us.and we one day can stand out of our body and look to our body lying without move. I just write What I believe, nothing else matter.
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Nobody, nothing created the Universe, it just happenned...Besides if we all knew the real reason humankind probably would not be able to comprenend it.
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Amun is the creator. He raised himself from the primordial swamp onto a mound, whereupon he made love to his fist and from his seed the world was formed.
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I'm normally not this ragey, but if the first thing people shout in a thread like this is "ZOMG! God made humans, DUH!!!!" then here's what I have to say to all of you.
If you really believe that then you are a fucking moron. A worthless person not even capable of thinking two seconds ahead of something. A dumbass who will believe ANYTHING you tell him as long as it's written down. Here let's try this: Thou shalt wire all thou savings to TigerXtrm's bank account. Why do you follow what's written in the bible and not what I just wrote?
If your god is the explanation for everything you can't explain in this universe then please remove yourself from the genepool! There is valuable air on this planet that can better be used by people who actually use their brain.-
Personally I think GOD was an alien..explains all the miracles..sky opening up, parting of the waters, people coming back to life..IE cryogenics..anyways...I believe in GOD..but I do not think he was a Humanbeing...and yes anybody can write a book..especially if they're good writers and they get paid well..even back in those days..I always say don't believe everything you read....lol
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God-
"how then, did the first god come to the world, if he or she did not come through a woman's womb?" YOUR THOUGHTS
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by 'god' I think he means the four physical forces (Gravity, Electromagnetism, strong and weak Nuclear forces.) all of which are essential in setting up the sets of circumstances that allow for a universe that life can appear in. It is theorized that those four forces originally split off of a single super force around 12-13 billion years ago. This event would have happened during the "Big Bang."
err, ummm, at least I think that's what he meant.
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do we need to answer every question?
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Religious people do, yes.
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originally there were twelve alien species, eventually some cross bred and only three actually survived which forms the various races today. Nine of the alien species gave up and returned to their own worlds because they saw humans as a failed species that would never be worth anything. One howver, had a few that continued and they formed heavy metal bands.-
Now that makes sense.
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No votes for Xenu so far?
Tom Cruize, where are you? -
Morgan Freeman.Ho3!
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Mother Nature. It has taken her a very long time to get us to this point, and she is not done yet. We are a work-in-progress. -
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I dont have time to read all of the previous comments so I dont know if someone already explained this or not... I am really surprised by your question, this is elementary biology and/or evolutionary genetics. The first human infant was mothered a very slightly different human ancestor. The changes between the child and mother would have been so minuscule that the mother and child would not have even been able to see the difference. ..But that isnt really a completely accurate answer because since evolutionary changes are cumulative and thus happen one tiny thing at a time, there isn't really a perfect way to decide on an exact point when the third chimpanzee became human. It took a million generations to cumulatively add up to what we are today. (from the starting point of our common ancestor with chimps.) (the figure 1 million isn't an exact figure but it's something like that.) The changes between each generation are so settle that you can't see the difference. And because the differences are so tiny, each new generation can also breed with the previous. It's only after a multitude of generations that the slight differences have accumulated enough to disallow breeding.
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Did I create the red blood cells in my vein? Does this cell need to believe in my existence to be?
If God exist and wanted us to believe in his/her existence, he/her would have geneticaly programmed me for that.
Do I feel that I am part of a perfect symphony? Yes.
Do I feel that I need to convince other people about that? No, because otherwise, I would forget to play the little single note I am supposed to play. -
Our ancestors came from a planet in which life forms sprout right from the soil, like plants, but detach themselves when older
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Chapter 1. The formation of planet Earth. The synthesis of non-living matter.
What is matter? How was it formed? How many kinds of matter are there and how do they interact?
These and many other questions have confounded man’s mind throughout his history. In order to find an answer to these questions, the human race turned its sight toward the vastness of space and to the microcosm. But the further man’s understanding advanced, the more he found himself mired in questions and problems for which he had no answers.
In order to better understand nature, man must drastically change the deepest foundations of his knowledge. It is necessary to KNOW and to UNDERSTAND the laws of formation of the universe and its development. It is necessary to comprehend the laws of life of the planets, stars, and galaxies of our universe. They are much different from what contemporary science believes.
First, I would like to point out that everything considered by contemporary man as the universe is but a small fragment of the Great Cosmos, like a single grain of sand on the beach of a boundless ocean. And that grain of sand is our home, the cradle of mankind. In order to progress further, man has to comprehend the world into which he was born.
There are an infinite number of types of primary matter in the Great Cosmos. They interact more or less among themselves or do not interact at all. If two kinds of primary matter do not interact, then nothing changes in them: they may even interpenetrate without influencing each other in any way and with nothing new appearing during the process. It is as though they do not exist for one another.
Let us define the degree of influence of one form of primary matter on another as the “coefficient of interaction.” We may then say that where there is no interaction between different kinds of primary matter the coefficient of interaction equals zero. It means that “bricks” of two different kinds of primary matter cannot fit together in the same structure, that they have no common characteristics and qualities. The coefficient of interaction is different even for two kinds of primary matter in separate points in space, because space itself is not uniform in structure.
Only when interaction takes place within a defined volume of space is it possible to talk about the mutual interactions of primary matters. In principle, there are volumes of space where there is maximal interaction between primary matters and others where it is impossible. Also there are certain regions of space where primary matters interact only partially by means of one or another shared quality. (Fig. 6a)
Where there is a maximum interaction of two primary matters (let us define them as A and B) a total merging of these primary matters results in a new, hybrid form — AB. Merging is possible only within the limits of a volume where all their parameters are the same. Different kinds of primary matter existing within the same non-uniform space will be influenced differently by that space: it exerts a larger influence and change on one kind of primary matter, and a smaller influence and change on another. Non-uniformity in space changes the qualitative structure of primary matters, thus creating conditions for their mergence and for the formation of new qualities.
Thus, within the boundaries of a non-uniform space where conditions exist for the merging of the two kinds of primary matters, A and B, a qualitatively new kind of matter forms — the hybrid AB (Fig. 6a).
In turn AB has an influence on the non-uniformity of the space where it originated: the non-uniform space fills up with the primary matters and is transformed. Non-uniformity constitutes a distortion of space, leading to a change of dimension within the limits of that non-uniformity, as compared with neighboring regions of space.
Thus, a change in spatial dimensions within a certain quantitative range leads to conditions for the merging of two kinds of primary matters. In order for two primary matters to merge, a dimension must change as follows:
∆L = 0.020203236... (Fig. 6 and 6a).
Similarly, for the merging of three kinds of primary matter, the dimension of space, ∆L, must change once again. Primary matter cannot merge using only a part of itself. Only entire primary matters can merge. Just as two and a half living men cannot exist, but only two or three whole men, neither can there be the merging of portions of primary matters.
Let us define a third kind of primary matter as C. As a result of the merging of three kinds of primary matter within the limits of a certain volume of space (for convenience let us consider it a sphere), a qualitatively new hybrid, ABC, forms, occupying a smaller volume than hybrid AB (Fig. 7). Moreover, the spheres have precise boundaries, within which the dimension of space is uniform. The conditions for the merging of one more kind of primary matter, D, arises when the dimension of space inside a non-uniformity again changes by the factor ∆L = 0.020203236. A qualitatively new hybrid form, ABCD, appears (Fig. 8). It will occupy a sphere of smaller volume than that of ABC.
With the next change, ∆L, in the dimension of space inside a non-uniformity, conditions appear for the merging of one more kind of primary matter, E with ABCD. A qualitatively new form, ABCDE, appears (Fig. 9).
Following a subsequent change, ∆L, in the dimension of space inside a non-uniformity, conditions appear for the merging of yet another form of primary matter, F, with ABCDE. A qualitatively new form, ABCDEF, emerges (Fig. 10).
After further changes in ∆L in the same non-uniformity of space, conditions arise for the merging of another form of matter, G, with ABCDEF. A qualitatively new form, ABCDEFG, is thereby produced (Fig. 11).
Thus, with each subsequent change in the dimension of non-uniform space, ∆L, the seven kinds of primary matter forming our universe, consecutively merge, creating at the same time six material spheres or bodies of qualitatively different composition and size.
The inside sphere, formed by all seven kinds of primary matter, is the PHYSICALLY SOLID PLANET, EARTH, a substance that has four aggregate forms — solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Different aggregate forms appear as a result of the fluctuation of dimensions less than ∆L. Moving away from the physical center of non-uniformity, we have the following picture: a sphere formed by the merging of six kinds of primary matter, is called the “ETHERIC” or “EPHEMERAL” sphere; the merging of five kinds of primary matter produces the “ASTRAL” sphere; four kinds of primary matter constitutes the FIRST “MENTAL” sphere; three kinds of primary matter, the SECOND MENTAL sphere; and two kinds of primary matter, the THIRD MENTAL sphere (Fig.12).
The physical sphere of Earth shares the largest number of qualities with the etheric sphere, which is closest to it, and shares the smallest number of qualities with the third mental sphere, which is farthest from it. Mutual or shared qualities of the different spheres create certain conditions for their interaction. The amount of interaction between two spheres depends upon the number of qualities they share.
The amount of interaction between spheres can be defined as their “coefficient of interaction”: α1; α2; α3; α4; α5.
α1 > α2 > α3 > α4 > α5 (Fig.12a)
where:
α1 — is the coefficient of interaction between the physically solid and etheric spheres.
α 2 –is the coefficient of interaction between the physically solid and astral spheres.
α 3 –is the coefficient of interaction between the physically solid and first mental spheres.
α 4 –is the coefficient of interaction between the physically solid and second mental spheres.
α 5 –is the coefficient of interaction between the physically solid and third mental spheres.
We then define planet Earth, as consisting of six concentric spheres, each interposed within another, the whole constituting an UNBROKEN UNITY. This fact is essential for understanding many phenomena and mysteries of both living and non-living matter, such as the evolution of life on our planet. Following the completion of the qualitative structure of Earth, non-uniformity in that region of space is neutralized (Fig. 12b).
Further describes the actual appearance of living matter (viruses, animals and etc)... At the origin of the Earth and the universe is nothing divine... All these are natural processes... -
Ok this is my theory..you know the whole darwin thing..well maybe we did come from apes..but I think the apes mated with aliens..or maybe people were brought here from another planet..otherwise how does the darwin theory work when all apes are either blue or black..where did Indians, native americans, asians, and of coarse caucasians come from..we are all of a different breed...and as for Adam and Eve..I beg the same question..in the Bible there is only one Adam and one Eve..so what breed were they and where did the many other breeds come from??? just my theory...any ideas????
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Oh and one more thing...Is it possible..that GOD is an Alien..I mean..all those miracles..and the sky opening up etc..back in those days..people were not all that intelligent and would believe most anything..some still do today..Alien technology can explain most if not all of the so called miracles...just another one of my theories..
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Abba (the source of everything)
The Logos of God.
Logos is the orginal intention that was spoken.
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Well, we now know that amino acids (the building blocks of life,) are produced when comets strike the earth, so...
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