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Why Are Men So Perverted?...
Posted by lotusb • 12/04/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
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I had this chat with my girlfriend yesterday, and I told her how I hate getting hit on by men because that kind of attention started so early for me (Maybe 12 or 13). Men old enough to be my father would try to get in my pants, even after I told them I was under age. Even now, the constant lip licking, obscene gestures, comments served under their breath and stares (not daily, but at least a few times a week) makes me wonder why SO MANY men are so gross about it?
Why do some men think this is acceptable behaivior towards women? Society? Media? Whats the cause?
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Men were created to keep the world populated. So, sex is the first thing they think of when they wake up, they think about it all day, and when they sleep at night...what can I say...its global and probably universal!
And to up you one, its is not exclusive to heterosexuals! My gay best friend, a guy, is the SAME way toward guys...they just love sex!!
I guess if you can't beat them, join em?? (AND beat them too, they'll like it
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Welcome to the world of sexual harassment. Men will do whatever they think they can get away with and in the end they will blame you for their behavior. sexual harassment, rape and child molestation are all rooted in power.
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This is exactly the reason I will only sleep with women, men are way too perverted for my simple tastes.
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You probably carry yourself with confidence and to some men that is a signal to challenge you and or dominate you. Based on reading some of your threads you sound like you carry yourself in a strong assertive way and that bothers the egos of some men, so sex becomes the weapon to lower you into submission or put you in your place as a woman. Additionally, regardless of how they view you their behavior is their own fault.
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I remember when I worked for Chase, my branch manager and sales manager were very aggressive when it came to bringing in new business. They worked the phones and they hit the pavement to bring it in. However, three onlooking male bank officers would call them d@kes, $itches,#luts and some other demeaning names because they worked just as hard, or even harder then their male counterparts.
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Thanks Phoenix, I will bear that in mind. I definitely don't want any men using sex weapons on me because of the way I carry my assertive ego.
I am talking about the male ego, not the female ego. -
When living as a "male," nobody was interested in having me except a woman who wanted to break from her parent's control. After transitioning, I have literally turned down over 3000 propositions for sex, mostly by men. The woman turned against me before long. The others just wanted a roll in the hay, then dump me later. No commitment. Nothing what says "love" in an enduring way.
I'm not sure which I would call more "perverted" because both the 3000 and the one who wanted a jail break were only looking for their own interests. -
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Surprisingly, more often than not, this type of behavior works.
If it works, men will keep doing it. A better question would be to ask women why they go out with these pervs.-
I'm sorry but I have to say it's a BIT interesting that you GUYS are throwing these "statistics" from your asses. 9 times out of 10?? Are you insane? I'm part of three women's groups all containing at least 300 members who would severely disagree with you on that point. Women don't find that behaivor to be flattering...NASTY WOMEN do. And there are far more women in the world, though not enough, who have better standards than that, so don't use the "it works" method over here.
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Your missing my point.
1) The kind of woman/ mind frame of the women who go to bars and clubs are the EXACT kind of woman who respond to this level of perverted attention. They are drunk, horny and LOOKING to get laid. There is a difference between this, and a woman grocery store shopping, on her lunch break or riding the elevator at a departments store.
2)Doing the "douche" routine as you put it, will attract girls with dirty vaginas. Do the math, thats the only need for a douche. -
I think you're stereotyping every woman that goes to bars now.
Also, guys that are "perverts" as you say in other social scenarios are just creeps that have no self control. Saying all dudes are like that is more than a bit of a misconception and a stereotype. I can't recall ever being in a grocery store and giving a "wolf whistle" or telling someone they have nice tits.
Sadly, the majority of girls I know love the "douche" routine, and the ones that don't are either overly pretentious or indifferent. -
Whoa, what did I start?!!? I didn't quote any statistics, I am simply stating my personal observations. I have been in many social settings where I have missed an opportunity to have a conversation with a woman because some dude made a crude remark and got the attention of the entire room.
Women want a man who is confident and often times confuse overtly perverted behavior as confidence. I have seen it happen on almost a daily basis. Not at bars but at gas stations, grocery stores and book stores.
And these weren't "Dirty women" either. Whether she goes out with him or not, he got her attention. You are not in a position to tell me that this wouldn't happen to you as YOU started this thread, not me. Therefore, this type of behavior gets your attention as well, you can't deny that now. Sure, you may hate it with a passion but passion is passion and this behavior has elicited an emotional response that decent behavior would not. -
Blue, I know concerning THIS girl, at least. I have literally lost a lot of money for men at a bar in which I used to dance. They would take bets on who could bed me. Men lost because I wouldn't even let them buy me a drink (a dangerous practice for any woman unless she knows the man well who is buying for her). I wouldn't give those guys more than a dance. And I never allowed any of them in my car, or any of them to drive me.
It's all because of this: the untrustworthiness of men...or women who try to come on to me. Especially when they may be intoxicated. I never order anything but cranberry juice or ginger ale, so the idea of bedding with a drunk is repugnant to me. And even if not drunk, too many of them are into recreational drugs which I am not.
But the rumor spread that Lynnea is "unattainable." Then I found my boyfriend who really did help me in recent years. And he doesn't drink alcohol either. So I can say, "Nyah!" to the rumormongers who rely on stereotypes much more than my general distrust of human nature.
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Interesting question... It got my attention So I stopped by to check out some of the answers. You might be on to something here. I also read through your blog. www.lotusb.blogspot.com/ Nice stuff there. You're a good writer and I like your creative flare. None the less, to give my humble answer to your deep question: Why are men so perverted? The short answer - We're born that way! The long answer - We haven't evolved out of it yet. And as long as it works the behavior will be reinforced. I see it akin to a pack of wolves going after a flock of sheep. They'll generally go after the weak ones/easy ones first. When men are looking for some short term quick, and gratifying sex, they'll go after the easy targets first and those are the women who respond positively to their gestures and passes and sexual behavior. And there are woman who will respond. That's my two cents. By the way, Do you think there's a difference between being perverted and obscene? Can a man be obscene but not be perverted? And what about women? I've seen some pretty lewd behavior from women as well. Thoughts?
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Thanks for the compliment, I appriciate the read.
However, that is a super lazy excuse. I am not one of these women that it works on but at least I can take into account that most of the women who are "flattered" by perverted gestures are women who suffer from low self esteem, and emotional issues with either their father or male figure in their life occuring before sexual maturity.
It all ends up back at the guys somehow, dosen't it...?
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It's a funny topic I know. But the truth of the matter is that it's a dangerous reality to humor. There is a vast majority of men who find it excusable to sexually interact with VERY young girls, girls who are impressionable and severely underage.
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Funny,
A long time ago, i moonlighted as a bouncer, and the "staff room" of the restaurant was only separated from the Ladies room by a very thin wall.
Now, having sat there on breaks and listened to the ladies conversations when they've had a couple of drinks, (Very wrong,, but Sooooo much fun... besides, it's way past any statute of limitations anyway) made it blatantly clear that not only are women every bit as perverted as any man i've ever known, but beyond that, they can be so shallow every man looks like Shakespeare next to them.-
OK, I know that men's ears usually get a bit clogged and one sided on the topic of women.
LISTEN: I am NOT talking about the KIND or mindframe of the women who go out CLUBBING. EVERYONE at a club wants to get laid, DUH, that's the whole reason for low lights, drinks and music.
I'm talking about in real, everyday life.
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Rah rah for all women Lotusb....men are hornballs but only sometimes. I am not one of those women who subscribes to the whole all men are dogs and act like dogs theory. What I will say is that a lot of men suffer from pack mentality, meaning that when among other males they tend to be overly obnoxious towards women. Maybe it's just to prove they are manly he man, whatever.
I don't think you can blame them for a glance though, to be fair I believe women glance just as much as men, we just happen to do it without drool or getting caught.
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Lotus, I want to know where you're hanging around--and then I want you to run (don't walk) away from there and never go back. I'm a middle-aged mom now, but once upon a time I was young and attracted a lot of attention (and, as for you, that started very young). In my early twenties I used to abandon drinks all over bars because so many men sent them to me that I literally couldn't drink them. I had a complete stranger get down on one knee and sing "You Are So Beautiful" to me on a sidewalk downtown. Multiple times, men I didn't know stopped cars to talk to me. But in my whole life, the only time I have witnessed behavior like you're describing was when my work took me regularly into prisons.
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Well, all I can say is you are one lucky woman. I've lived in major cities my whole life: Oakland, San Francisco, Brooklyn...so far. The first encounter that I can recall a man I met on a train and started a conversation with about where I was headed and what school I went to (I was 13), the man inturrupted me and asked me if he could take me into the bathroom and perform oral sex on me. It happens honey,and it happens to a lot of women. Sure I've had the normal attention, that I can handle. It's the gross sh*t that I can't handle. I stopped going to clubs a while ago, and I've never beent he kind of girl to hang out in bars, but when I did it was short lived because the men there were disgusting.
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What can I say....men are visual creatures and even though I am behind a computer,
I still have trouble beating them off with a big stick.
I have to hide myself in disguises all the time and wear a burka to get around town, Good God.-
shit that happens to me too jeunelle no wonder my avatar is a pic of me with my hair standing on end
now ladies there are nice guys out there and they are often the ones who are timid, and of course you know the old saying, nice guys finish last.
Honestly however I think women have to look inward because like Madame already voiced with the where are you hanging out question, I have to ask, why are so many of you attracted to some real slimeballs and stay with them?
now here look at this shy guy fall all over himself www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxi5Ly0wpCw
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In all honesty I have found that females are really not that much different then males. I know that sounds crazy but our thinking and motivations are very similar, each sex just has a different way of carrying out actions and/or reacting to the world. But this also varies from person to person as well. There are always going to be people I 'get' and people I don't, regardless of their sex.
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Well judging from the fact that in this thread we've had:
- Discussions of ripping men's balls off
- Saying that everyone you've ever known has been raped (this has to be a world record)
- Guys only go to bars to get laid
- Women have superior libidos as opposed to feeble male sex drives
However, you slammed women a few times in this thread too. ::shrug::
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Incidents of rape are higher yet for those who transitioned. But the statistics are unreliable for this demographic because most transgender rape victims consider it useless to report such incidents to authorities who usually have the mindset that the rape must be invited because so many transfolk are in the sex industry.
I have been raped on 2 occasions, once in conjunction with an abduction. Did I report them? Nope. I tended to my wounds myself. Fortunately they weren't severe enough to require surgery. -
@acousticguitarist
The legacy of paternalism and religion has been the rape of women and children. This happens in the so-called first world countries and in the so-called third world countries as well. IMO unless and until laws are implemented and enforced that create actual equality for women ie. control over their own bodies, medical and reproductive decision making the abuse of women and children will continue to flourish. In 2008 women in America and elsewhere still have not achieved equality with men, so we can see how entrenched the misguided notions of paternalism and religion are in our societies, and we can see what the consequences of clinging to oppressive and regressive conventions are.
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Well look at any tv show, any movie anything in our culture. A guy that doesn't have sex is awkward and a nerd, and a guy that gets laid constantly is calm and cool. If you were a man, who would you want to be.
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Interesting perspective gamerm
I guess what I like is to be happy, healthy; for women to feel safe around me and to accept the boundaries that need to be respected, to be intimate with those that are happy to be intimimate with me. And most of all to go for intimacy and not sexuality, because intimacy with a women is far superior.
Have you seen the youtube of two red pandas kissin? you could learn a lot from them
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I wouldn't say men, but SOME men. I remember getting so grossed out when I was a young woman and men in their 40's and 50's tried to hit on me.
the lovely thing about being 53 is that I don't ever have to deal with it, okay once last year a 70 year old tried to hit on me (arg I felt just as grossed out). -
i dont really think were perverted i just think we may say ubscene things to get some kind of conversation out of you females weathers it negative or positive because most of you women are so booshy and tight.
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Blech. Seriously, I know how it is to be harassed. Even a guy like me isn't exempt from this problem, I get a lot of scary looking gay dudes whistling and making faces at me out of their cars from time to time. This one time a few months ago, some weirdo said "Hey I like your backpack" in a really gay-ish voice. I just cringed.
So..with that in mind, I know how it feels. I blame tv, movies, porn, rap lyrics, and especially drugs like crystal meth; that's a big problem around here.-
Oh you again...You're trying to catch me in the corner about the "Video games causing violence" thing, right?
Ok, how to best explain this..I just think that the sociology between the lifestyles portrayed in music and the internet make it seem like it's ok to do. I don't directly blame tv and porn, just think that it's a contributing factor.
Here's another example, and I know it's WAY off topic but you do deserve an explanation. I'm a skinny dude. I'm like 140 pounds and around 5'10, so I'm kinda lanky. Back in the day, people would just assume I wasn't eating enough. These days I've had more than one person yell at me to "Put down the meth pipe", even though I've never touched dope in my life. I'm serious too, I was waiting to cross the street one time and I had the right of way to walk, some guy got it in his big head that he could just side-swipe me. When I yelled wtf, he told me to quit doing speed.
So with that in mind, I just think that times are changing because of what people believe and what they see and assume to be normal these days.
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I'm going to attempt to add a different element to the conversation. Note, I'm replying to the original question that (at least partly) asked why men make "obscene gestures", etc.
I'f you subscribe to the belief that we evolved from apes, I'd say look at the mating rituals of many of our evolutionary relatives. I'm no expert, but it seems that in many primate groups the males have to put on "shows" or "displays" to denote their machismo and desire to mate - and the females either oblige or decline.
In other words, it could be hard-wired into us at some level. We'll make advances, some of them comical (women have this effect on us), and the female will either say "yes, let's mate" or "no, go mate with some other baboon."
It might really be that simple. Obviously as others have suggested we also "learn" such behaviors through experiences - which can include media, first hand observations, etc.
Of course, in my travels, let me assure you - ther are plenty of females who make obscene gestures, stare luridly, and are otherwise outwardly sexually suggestive. It's something of a two way street.-
I read something somewhere once (could've been here) that suggested that no matter what the situation, it's the woman who makes the ultimate yes or no decision. If a guy approaches a girl, she either accepts or refuses him. If a girl approaches a guy, she's already decided, and odds are the male won't refuse. It doesn't always work out that way, but that sounds about right to me as far as a general rule of thumb.
It also makes sense when you consider that the female can only become impregnated by one male's sperm, so she has to be choosy, while the male can go and spread his seed around rather indiscriminately impregnating numerous females in a short amount of time, and is thus more inclined to go along with any opportunity to do so (and less inclined to feel the need to be as "choosy").
Strange, but somewhat true I suppose.
Edit: Anok, I never kiss and tell about our lewd comments. Franchesca is alive and well.
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Now, animal mating rituals are interesting, because it depends a great deal on the species.
For example, preying mantis females must kill the male in order to copulate. (That's a rough date
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Dolphins will have sex for pleasure, and not procreation, so their mating is different, and most mammals have some sort of "competition" between males to show who's dominant, and that usually decides who the top female will pair with, and so on down the social ladder.
Unless you're trout, and simply change gender when needed.
Oh, heh...Franchesca yes - we can't forget about her
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answering the original question.
it is because of instant gratification. everyone wants to be happy. it's their freedom, but with that intent they are actually violating unwritten moral laws. it is just the same reason as the bum who doesnt find a job because he doesnt like to work, or a glutton who eats his way until he eats everything until he dies, a beautiful lady who forever wants to be popular among men. -
Where on Earth do you live? I've always found the opposite, men are not nearly as perverted as I'd like them to be.
I can't say I've ever met a man who I thought was perverted. Well, maybe once. He ran a porn company and that kind of goes with the territory. Then again, I've met a porn star, who wasn't perverted at all, what I could tell. How odd! I was going to say that maybe I'm just naive, but no, that's not it. -
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The original question: Why are men so gross about it?
I think someone has already made the point that a lot of men would never behave this way. But that still leaves the question of why it happens at all.
kdawg68 makes the point that there are good biological reasons why males take the initiative. But that doesn't explain why a man might be gross about taking the initiative.
Does a gross strategy have a higher probability of success than a refined strategy? I would not have thought so, but I could be wrong.
What other reason could there be? I think it probably happens most often because the men concerned get some kicks out of causing embarrassment. -
It would appear that being a pervert gets a reaction, at least enought to get a good thread going.
Now, had a decent man done something polite, I doubt it would cause such a stir. Hats off to the perverted men who make themselves so memorable. -
Why are women so perverted? One of my friends looks at tentacle rape hentai when she has company over. (She thinks it's hilarious.)
It goes both ways. Humans are biologically inclined to think about sex. Men are hormonally more aggressive than women, on average.
Where many men are expressive about their sexual urges, many women are more expressive about their emotions. It's a fair trade-off.-
Perverted indeed. We really are hairy humping animals that occasionally fart and poo. But at the same time, we have an instinctive drive for elegance as far as we can reach it, that's as real as other primates' desire to show affection by grooming.
Look at that case of your friend with her hentai. She loves it because she secretly desires that kind of thing for herself. At the same time, she covers that desire with humor because it really isn't elegant to admit to wanting such things.
So if men were really smart, they would see those kinky desires as well as the feminine desire for elegance, because it's not entirely alien to the male of the species to desire elegance either. Therefore, anything is negotiable, if those desires are balanced together, like the artist with the colors of his palette. Because while we girls train ourselves to paint in ourselves the picture of an irresistible, dream, it's your part to paint us in the colors of a waking reality. That, I think, is something no girl can resist.
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I don't think its a matter of perversion, its more of a drive in human natures uncanny need for survival. I like to think of it like this. A male lion does nothing but sleep about 22 hours/day, eat(first)after the females hunted and killed their meal and mate about 90 times/day(granted each time lasts less than a minute). Now instinctively, we as animals have those urges built into our DNA, so that is why women get hit on so often, but because we have a conscious we don't carry out those urges like animals, so we do the "mating ritual" that you described originally. Remember this, in the animal world it is the male trying to win the attention of the female by having the long mane or vibrant colors not like us humans where the female is the one looking pretty for the male's attention.
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We are not allowed to link-drop in the General Discussions forum.
We are also not allowed to proselytize or evangelize in the General Discussions forum.
The first half of your comment belongs in one of the Religious Groups; the second half of your comment belongs in Shameless Blog Promotions. NONE of it belongs here.
Aside from that, you are wrong. Plenty of men who "know Jesus" let their carnal urges overwhelm their better natures. You know Jesus and you are here breaking the rules of this forum just as those men break the rules of common decency. The urge to give in to what we WANT is often much stronger than the desire to do what is right. Your comment on this thread serves as a prime example of personal desire overcoming the obligation of correct behaviour.
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I was wondering what did you do to the old guy who proposed oral at you did you slap him right on the face or hit him with your purse or something to get his upper head working?
Just couple days ago I was walking with my daughter to take her to school when this tricycle driver called out and said "is that your daughter? want to make one more?"
I stopped stared at him like I am about to kill him and blurted out the worst curse in my language that everyone else would hear.
He folded his tails and came back to his senses and apologized for being a pig.
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I've heard discussions that women have had with each other when talking about boyfriends and the amazing amount of details that they give. Women are just as bad if not worse.
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