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Why can't men stay romantic?
Posted by AchEmpire • 7/30/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: analyzing, Romance
Always offering flowers/roses, bracelets, trips on white horses, drinking wine in grass while gazing @ stars, romantic texts? It's not fairytalish thinking.
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My husband is really romantic. I must say--it's true. We've been together for 9 years now--and he is romantic as always. Just yesterday, he walked in with a bouquet of beautiful wild flowers that he saw and thought to pick up for me. They are gorgeous.
Not all men lose their romanticism. -
The same goes for the girls. Why do guys have to do all the work? If girls would shave their legs once in a while, take their hair out of the drain, quit downsizing the size of our closet space, and keep doing all the things that made them sexy in the first place, maybe, just maybe guys would still be romantic.
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From my experience in life, which is limited,
men are more romantic than women. So you came out ahead anyway. I could be wrong, but it seems that way. -
I don't even know where to begin with this one...
...suffice it to say, generalisations like this are entirely inaccurate.-
Fine. This is a poem I composed a while ago for someone I cared for:
The summer rain fell on me
In a torrent that came suddenly
But I let it wash over me: I didn't care
I let it soak my clothes and through my hair
Though the thunder then shook the town
My mood refused to be dampened down
For my heartstrings strummed a sweet melody,
A song of love and of you and me:
"Because of you, the man I am today
"Is more than the man I was yesterday.
"And thanks to you, I have come to know
"Love is about holding on and letting go
"About learning to cherish and to forgive
"About discovering what it really means to live
"And all this exploration
"All this passion and jubilation
"All the opening of life's doors
"Is because you are mine and I am yours."
Let the summer rain follow me everywhere
I am immune to woe and care
Lightining can strike, rain can come down
And thunder may shake the heaving town.
But you are my teacher in love, my heart says
And my heartstrings' melody still plays,
A song of love lasting for eternity
And once more the refrain occurs to me:
"I have seen and come to know
"Love is about holding on and letting go
"About being tender and forgiving
"About learning what makes life worth living
"About knowing what is most sure and true
"Is the love I will always bear for you
"And that this true love's melody
"Will always be playing for you and me
"And we will find we can open every door
"Because you are mine and I am yours."
Would you like to challenge me further on this?
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I can post one more.which you may definitely like.
this is ..
First Melody.
There was I and probably you as well
And an infinite silent stillness.
Brittle like a dry, parched leaf,
Gritty like sands on a seashore
But that's a tale of prehistoric times.
At a road crossing I called out to you
And you answered my call,
And in the winds' throat there was a quiver
And particles of earth were animated
And the waters of brooks hummed in a melody
Branches of trees grew a trifle tense,
There was stirring in the leaves,
A little bud twinkled an eye,
And a bird fluffed out its feathers
That was the first song that the ears heard.
The septet of the lute came much later.
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I don't do poems so much, but I bring my fiancée milk and cookies sometimes when she's up late writing.
Some people stay romantic. I guess it's a matter of remembering not to take things for granted. If you start believing that your loved one will be there no matter what, you might start thinking you don't have to do anything to keep things that way they are. -
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Your not making sense. Love has no boundries. Money shouldn't matter with romancing your lover. If you can't afford then why spend your money going into debt in first place? Their are ways of being romantic & not spending alot of liquid (money). You can star gaze & drink wine or write poems or send love texts, or even use your award points on your credit card to fly to Europe or something with them.
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Love my guy but he has to be one of the most unromantic men ever! I am a hopeless romantic and like they say ... opposites attract.
In answer to the question posed, I think most boys and young men have been trained that it is fine to have roving eyes and that men are supposed to be from Mars. I believe it is inbred or passed down from father to son. Like it is a banner they finally get to wear after achieving this whine, "The newness has worn off syndrome ... Must find something new." Sort of a caveman attitude.
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to be honest... Being romantic gets old real fast... As a relationship evolves, women want more romance and men just want to spice shit up in the bedroom. That's the shitty truth!
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Men get bored, they offer what they think seems right then they go practical and offer to pay the gas bill, they are much happier paying for services. Or for something which will make life easier such as a dishwasher, not romantic, but thinking of you.
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I don't have any romanticism to lose because to me it's all hackneyed, lame bullshit. If I want someone to know they mean something to me, I will spend an indefinite amount of time with them. I will throw whatever schedule I'm required to adhere to out the damn window, and spend as much time as I feel is necessary with that person.
Why? Because as temporal beings, our time is scarce. The very act of spending time with another person, in private or in public, shows that they are significant enough to your life to say, "Of all the millions of things I could be doing right now, I'd rather be getting to know you."
Compared to that, flowers, chocolates, gifts, and other material trivialities seem insignificant. Fulfilling the stereotypical role of a stock romance novel character (the Prince Charming complex) is a dishonest waste of time. Human mating rituals (dating, in particular) seem superfluous. When you break all that crap down, all that matters is that two people are genuinely interested in each other and willing to make each other a priority.
If this is too practical for your tastes, then you're probably not someone I would waste my time with.-
"Because as temporal beings, our time is scarce. The very act of spending time with another person, in private or in public, shows that they are significant enough to your life to say, "Of all the millions of things I could be doing right now, I'd rather be getting to know you."
OMG Voodoo. You just outed yourself as a romantic with your middle paragraph.
Being A romantic is way more than hackneyed gestures. It's about your soul and how you feel about the world and the people in it.
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I find romance offensive and repulsive. (I imagine you are all surprised about that)
You can show affection and consideration for a woman without treating her like a doll. I don't want flowers and chocolates and candlelit dinners, I'm a grown woman, not a pet. Show your respect and affection for me by treating me like your equal, not by treating me. -
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Black calleth kettle in regards to 'adult' dating.
and I also said it makes 'me' want to vomit, nobody else.
If I want to gaze at the stars, drink wine, howl at the moon, those are things I can do all by myself. If I want flowers I buy them myself.
There are a million other things I would rather have off the person I was with to show that we were in a committed relationship.
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I think the ideal notion of a 'romantic man' is medieval in nature. gallentry/chivalry is indeed an old way.some girls like it, feminists abhor it for obvious reasons. i think being a romantic man doesn't mean you baby talk your love, or cuddle her like a cute doll. it is about what you do, the love you show, your caring ways and treating her like an equal.
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indeed. that's what i am stating in my reasons.it is the love you show and what you do. now people go for candlelit dinners, walks in the rain, a nice home movie-or men can cook for them that is fine and that's their way.but let's face it. not all people can afford these things. so they can be romantic but in their own way. i am a capricorn so it is believed that we capricorn men aren't romantic. well we are...but we haver a different way of showing it.the problem here is: what is your idea of romance? maybe you have a different idea in your mind but he has other things as well
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When we had our first child our relationship changed. He also almost fainted in the operating room.
After a real bad argument he usually brings flowers. With kids finding time for each other gets hard. -
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aspotofblog- I don't agree with you. So you're sitting up here telling me all this is a made up movie. I think not there are men on here commenting with romantic poems & how they romance their women. Just because you want the "Basics" doesn't mean we all want that. I want the romantic guy like the movies, & yes they exist. Read some of these comments on here, those men aren't making up their romantic personality.
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Take my heart- it's yours
Do with it as you please.
Break it if that's what you want
Burn it if that's what you need
Treasure it if that's what you desire
Hide it away, if that's what makes you happy
Lock it up, it'll always be there
Drop it in a puddle, the rain will wash it away,
Toss it in the gargbage, it'll rot away,
Love it with all you've got and I'll love you with all I've got -
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I've been romantic all my life so far, and will continue to do so until the day I die.
Just a shame it's all going to waste, since I've been single 3 years. -
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@Dbowles, nope I find spending the whole night dancing to funana or reggea then a nice night at a posh hotel to be romantic, i am not into candy and flower, a random card, email, sex chat, money and jewelery is all D. has to keep giving me
@aspotofblog, it isn't much about your body it is about keeping that part of you he fell in love with and wants to change down the road intact!
@AchEmpire, what you are looking for is impossible in this day and age when most relationships bite the dust. I say love your partner, be faithful, give the relationship 100% and simply hope for the best, or work for it. -
"what you are looking for is impossible in this day and age when most relationships bite the dust. I say love your partner, be faithful, give the relationship 100% and simply hope for the best, or work for it."
Maybe our relationships bite the dust because we start with this kind of attitude. And maybe what we yearn for more then anything else is a little REAL respect, both of ourselves and our partner, and a little depth besides. I'm not sure exactly what I'm saying, but sometimes things really do come down to what you believe in. And if what you believe in is cynical, narrow, shallow, that really will be what you receive because these kinds of attitudes have effects on people Lolita. -
@BW I am not cynical when it comes to MY own marriage, I give it 100% and believe in it's success (6 years down, forever to go). I am stating facts because that is what MOST people believe the FACT THAT MOST MARRIAGES END!
@AchEmpire, if i am not mistaken, you are looking for someone who is romantic ALL THE TIME, 24/7. If you believe such a person exists you are wrong because we all have our moments, our emotions that sometimes get in the way of romanticism. If you want someone to treat you "romantically" 27/7/365 you better take engineering classes and start working on a robot because no human can live up to that expectation.
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They can...my husband gave me a huge bouquet of flowers and a box of Fruit Loops for our anniversary...I thought it was kind of cute.
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@db & blackwater - lol; meet me at my blog, okay? Although remember, I can never be happy with you two. Because I'm a superficial sinner full of lust!
@achempire: i asked you if you have a sense of humor. Well, do you?
blackwater: let's just make it a whole orgy while we're at it. How romantic. -
I hear you but getting flowers everyday is not in our budget...being kind,funny and respectful is. It's the little things for the both of us that mean so much.
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ArchEmpire, you are too nit picky about words, it is not so much what you say
as much as how you say it, hard to express through this platform. Why can't women? They need to be romantic too! -
Romantic texts are the best , been married 12 years and it does the trick my hubby sends out dirty texts to me while am at work and I love it - I still behave like a teenage when I recieve them Ha!!!
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most men think of sex, and most women thinking of love and romantic..So never can't men become romantic at all
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@LadyHands: Not true. What is true though is that women are much more monogamous then men. In ancient times, a man would have several "wives," though really, only his first wife was actually a wife, and the others were essentially sex servants/mothers for some of his children and possibly homemakers. So, a man is hard-wired to have two different kinds of relationships: the romantic kind, and the cheap utilization kind.
@ST: Women work on a cycle, thinking of sex when they are fertile. Men think of sex all the time as they are always fertile.
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I think EACH person is different.
My husband who is REALLY much much younger than me - was definitely NOT romantic.
Yet - he was there when I was literally dying - and he took care of me. He made me get up and walk - he made me come alive again.
As we've been together longer tho, he has started becoming more of a romantic... Not in that Movie scene kind of way... But... He likes to take walks late at night and hold my hand.
He brought me a dozen wild colored roses - on an impulse buy a few months ago.
For him - love and romance is something that GROWS - instead of something that is huge at first and then dwindles.
I suspect that in my future is many many many wonderful moments of laughter and love with him.
So - each person is different.
I have had other boyfriends/husbands --- and at first it's like - LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE - everything is wonderful - then slowly, it dies... It becomes dull, tarnished and a thing of the past - only to have small sparks here and there.
With my husband now... There was NO romance there - only caring... And that caring has developed into something unbelievably wonderful that is continuing to grow through the years. Every day it becomes more.
It is the strangest relationship I've ever experienced - and by far the best and most wonderful. Because every day, a new facet, a new thing I find that I like about him - and he about me... and we grow that much closer.
It's strange - because every other relationship I have been in - it has been the opposite.
Someday - you too, will find one that will fit you... Like a glove. And you will understand what I mean. -
I think that girls are more romatic then guys, but it's just more expected of guys to be romantic.
If girls were the ones that were expected to be romantic, it'd probably be better. -
i'm not gay, i'm just saying guys shouldnt have to show all the romance. I don't see girls being all romantic these days either.
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Romance is not instinctual, it is cultural. As a result, nobody is going to be romantic 24/7/365 for several years without getting burned out, or without YOU getting burned out on it.
If something "romantic" is going to happen, it should be a rare treat. Otherwise, it's going to lose all meaning and you're going to react like a spoiled brat for being desensitized to it.
That's my observation.-
voodooKobra- You trying to call me a spoiled brat?
If something "romantic" is going to happen, it should be a rare treat. Otherwise, it's going to lose all meaning and you're going to react like a spoiled brat for being desensitized to it.
A rare treat? Sounds like you treat your women like puppies, since you mentioned you give romance on a rare treat basis. You need more observations, I'm not agreeing on this one. -
I never said I give romance ever. You're making assumptions.
My exact words were, as you were so happy to duplicate and ignore the structure of:
If something "romantic" is going to happen,
This is a condition for which the following statement depends.
[then] it should be a rare treat.
This is a consequence of the condition being met. At no point does this assume that the condition has ever been met.
At no point in my previous post did I say anything about how I act. I already covered this earlier, when I decried all romantic gestures as unnecessary.
Furthermore, you immediately take the concept of a rare treat, and morph that to treating women (by the way, I never did specify the gender of these hypothetical partners) like dogs. Apparently the word "treat" was the trigger word for this false association.
The word treat can appropriately be used to apply to humans. I might treat my parents to dinner once in a while. A candy bar is a rare treat; for responsible people anyway.
And finally,
[voodooKobra- You trying to call me a spoiled brat?]
No, I'm saying that if you got what you wanted (a constant romantic), you would become one. -
@Ach:
You just insist on interpreting everything as an insult, don't you? How about you just accept the fact that people have different opinions about romance and stop acting like yours is the only correct one? You whine about people spoofing and picking on you, but you're pretty @$#%& quick to bash people's opinions if they don't match your own. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously. -
voodooKobra- What makes you think I want a constant romantic? I said why can't men stay romantic don't re-arrange my words. Stay romantic means not 24/7 but offer romancing when she least expects it. It could be I'm sleeping during the day to take a nap & he kisses me on cheek while playing with my hair, or I'm stressed with business & he sends a text I miss you, Love you. Those examples are called staying romantic, & not just doing it on ocassions. I have more examples, but you should get my point.
Rainhat- I never said mine are correct. -
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Congratulations, you've just elevated my systolic blood pressure another point.
[Interesting link, but your sitting up here telling me men don't play with their women's hair if they're in love or kiss them on the cheek for no apparent reason?]
I'm not saying that men don't, I'm just saying that they're stupid when they do.
[Why are you challenging me with romance?]
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No I don't think so. Respect and respectfulness is an attribute that not only can be observed in the oldest written documents but can be seen in the natural world with the behavior of most mammals, especially wolves, who have nearly a dozen identified respectful salutations hardwired in to them. Relationships and the need for care and feeling is hard-wired in to us and many other mammals, especially elephants and wolves, who often howl simply to hear another wolf howl back and feel connected to their pack. The yearning for something deeper to take home from sex and to dominate your mate spiritually are very much a part of our nature and a great advantage in reproduction, as they make each one of your offspring more likely to survive and allow you to monopolize the affections and sexuality of a mate. These three things put together (respect, care, and domination) make up romance when combined in the melting pot of a human mind.
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@Ach:
Pff... Then what is your definition of "constant" ?
"SpotonLongIsland- Does he do this all the time? My point is men should stay romantic, not just for the yearly occassion. This should be done all the time."
"Your comment is no excuse. You are suppose to be romantic always."-
Rainhat- Wow you've done some research on a prior comment, but took it out of content. Being a constant romantic doesn't mean 24/7, it could be you give flowers on a Monday, then Wednesday send a I love you text/email, then sunday gaze at stars while drinking wine together. The man will have to determine on the chemistry from beginning to coordinate this
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Research? I scrolled up and copy/pasted. That's not research, that's being able to read. And I didn't take anything out of context, the reply to Spoton that I quoted is word by word exactly what you wrote. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
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Men can't keep their hands out their pants long enough. And too much romance has been known to cause fairytale syndrome -- it isn't curable.
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I think most men are romantic. Just gotta give them a chance. And besides if you are in love with someone, whatever you do together is bound to be romantic.
And good luck.-
It is my honest opinion that men and women as as much romantic as they ever were. I mean Maybe the settings changed but at heart its all still the same. At least that's what I think.
I am not talking about the movie style fairytale romance, but the ones that are rooted in firm reality but still has its fantasies (hope that was clear). lol
Thank You ArchEmpire, but I can assure you I am not a prince.
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Who says they can't?
These gender based cliches, generalizations and stereotyping always fall apart under scrutiny. On one hand, there are men who are very romantic and there are also women who are too. On the other, there are also women and men who are not very romantic at all.
The men are from mars and women are from venus line is tripe. It's fueled by the advertising industry and all of those business people who hire them so they try to sell the masses products and services based on such gender based bullsh*te. I have blogged on this so if you want to read what I have to say you will find it in this post:
Earthlings seek loving compatible partners
thistimethisspace.com/2009/08/21/earthlings-seek-loving-compatible-partners...
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I asked the menfolk here and they said "why can't women put the effort into themselves like they did in the begining?" I tend to agree, expecting men to remain woo-ingly romantic is as silly as expecting women to doll it up all the time like they did in the begining.
I'll take our comfortable broken in ease with each other over the woo-ing any old day. -
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