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Why do people believe Jesus is the son of God?
Posted by CelebrityIcePop • 3/18/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Bible, God, jesus
Bearing in mind the 'Word of God' came from the mouths of various mortal men, why do people believe that Jesus was an actual son of 'God' as oppose to being mortal and son of Mary and 'other human'.
Virgin Mary had 5 children aside from Jesus (or was it 4?) so clearly she wasn't a virgin and a recent documentary suggested Jesus was fathered by a Roman Soldier possibly the result of a rape.
I understand some believe that Jesus was fathered by God, but aside from early indoctrination what reinforces this belief in adulthood?
Is it just faith or something more concrete?
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Cause he said he was, and after he rose from the dead, people had a hard time dismissing him.-
Oh, so if I say I'm his daughter you'll believe it? There has to be more to it than this, people aren't that gullible are they?
Meanwhile a son of God wouldn't die in the first place surely and there is conflicting info regarding this dying and arising, no proof. -
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Can you proof that my great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather lived once in this world? -
Not for us, there's not--but there were people there, and the stories passed down from them. You can believe that or not, but obviously many of us do. Since to my knowledge you haven't performed any miracles, I'd have to say your word would be a little shakier if you made such a claim.
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Jesus is prophet from the GOD, and he's son of Mary.
That what I believe.-
This is Muslim belief yes?
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Someone, a mortal man told you that 'Word of God' came from the mouths of various mortal men and you believed?
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Do you believe God is not capable of writing and printing his own book?
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We have ears and eyes. Don't you have?
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Do you believe God is not capable of writing and printing his own book?
Do you believe God would let us mere mortals torture his own son and do nothing?
Do you believe a son of a God could feel pain and suffer as a human mortal does?
Do you believe that despite son of God arriving on this planet absolutely nothing changed and we are still murdering and killing each other?
I'm just wondering why this belief is so strong when there is little to support it as a 'fact' or am I wrong? -
Yes of course.
and we're love him.
and we're believe in his story, it's in holy Quraan.-
Yes I am familiar with it, Prophet is something I can accept more than son of God. Who is next prophet after Mohammed?
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cos he is. It's called faith and with all the crap going on in the world, faith is th eonly thing to hold on to!!!!!!!!!!
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hmm very well presented argument thank you
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You have to back it up with argument, because you could say the same about any other religion. But then again, when all is said and done, why is it wrong to have faith just because you need it?
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NOBODY AFTER THE PROPHET MOHAMMED.
BUT in last of world the prophet Jesus come back again because he's not died on cross,and he'll believe in the prophet Mohammed.
that long story you can read it in holy Quraan if you want.
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The Quraan is more interesting to me as a book as it was dictated by an illiterate man and one man(Prophet Mohammed) Meanwhile some of the predictions written are coming true which also interests me....men becoming women for example. What other predictions are you aware of that have come true this last couple of centuries?
Why no more prophets I wonder?
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I think advertising reinforces religious belief in adulthood. Basically ppl see religion promoted in the media and among their peers and they assume it's the thing to do. Bandwagon. Same reason people smoke (or don't smoke).-
hmm, we don't have religion advertised really in the UK, not that I've noticed. It's very low key.
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how have you missed all the adverts on public transport? Drives me nuts!
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The buses where I live are few and far between and to be honest I don't look at them unless they are cutting me up! I don't think they have these adverts.
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I'll writing some of predictions not all..
** The poor peoples have highest buildings.
** The proliferation of ladies singers and dancers.
** many of adultery, usury, Alcohol, Murder.
** Convergence time, such as the year and month, month and week ,week and day , day and hour.
** make adultery on the road. and the good person said do it behind the wall.
** Change the people thoughts.
** Ungratefulness parents.
** The Silly of mens talk in important the public.
** An honest man no one believed him, and lying mens the people believe him.
SOOOOO MANY BUT DIFFICULT TO ME TRANSLATION >>LOL
WHY no more of prophets..becouse the holy Quraan dictated on the prophet Mohammed and the God Pledged to keep it without distortion until On the Day of Resurrection for all the word and it's contain all things the people need to knew and the way to go to paradise.
( if any prophet come he's don't have any new things).
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People believe so because THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
But why believe in the bible?
Because THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE.
But how do I know it's infallible?
Because THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
But how can I be sure that it's the word of God?
Because THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
But why believe in the bible?
Because THE BIBLE IS INFALLIBLE.
But how do I know it's infallible?
Because THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
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When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!" - Matthew 27:54 -
Because a bunch of guys said so:
The bishops at the Council of Nicea (AD 325), in order to ensure that Jesus was professed as the eternal Son of God, equal to the Father, stated that he is "the Son of God, begotten from the Father, the only-begotten, that is from the substance of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, the same substance (homoousion) with the Father..."
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First he said he was the Messenger
Then he said he was the Son
Then he said He and the the Father were one.
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I had a troubled childhood and so wanted to believe. I really did. I wanted to think that everything happened for a reason and that i was being watched over.
But even at 13 years old, i just couldn't. It was too silly and too evil. The God of the old testament advocates genocide, rape, slavery, prejudice, etc. I just can't be ok with that.
And then you have the New Testament. The gospels can't even get their stories straight and often contradict each other. Not to mention the fact that they weren't being written during Jesus' life and you can see how things become exaggerated and distorted. And now add the fact that the books had been tampered with afterwards. Some books are added, others subtracted. So who knows what really happened? And then there are the possibilities of mistranslations. For example, the fact that the word used for "virgin" was also synonymous with "innocent girl". That could change the entire faith right there.
Didn't it say that all the world's dead stood up out of their graves for one moment when Jesus was resurrected? Um... so how come no Chinese historian wrote about that? No European? Surely they must have seen it! -
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People have faith because they're scared of how painful and tenuous life can be. I can definitely understand that. But let's not kid ourselves and act like there's actual proof that the Bible is the word of God.
There are plenty of things in the Bible that have already been disproven. For example, the story of Exodus never happened. We know that now for a fact. -
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There are plenty of things in the Bible that have already been disproven. For example, the story of Exodus never happened. We know that now for a fact."
I've yet to see any material worth its salt make that bold claim.
People believe because they evidence lines up in their views. Some don't agree and that's fine. In my opinion the evidence ads up if you look hard enough and do so balanced, but not all agree and that's perfectly fine. -
Just imagine all the miracles that He made. Only the son of God can do those miracles.-
and Derren Brown
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Have you read the "Case for Christ"? It was written by an atheist trying to disprove Christianity, based on science. A fair read, if you like to debate.
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I don't dispute a man called Jesus lived (many called Jesus lived in fact, still do, it's a very common name)and I don't dispute a particular 'Jesus' made a name for himself.
I do dispute this 'Jesus' was immortal and not 'manmade' and there is no need to read a book to confirm my opinion re that as to me it's just darn obvious.
Mary was not a virgin, Jospeph may or may not have been the father, but if not him then someone else. There is nothing to indicate in Jesus's life he was anything other than a mortal man. Most the stories written about him were written decades after the fact so not exactly reliable sources. -
Written by a former crime beat editor and reporter for the Chicago Tribune. It doesn't get anymore investigative than that!
Filled with cynicism and and an atheistic bent, he went on to write...
The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.
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if there is any man who has died and the third day he rose from death then the resurrection of Christ is not enough to prove that he is truly the son of god, Isaiah the prophet prophesies that a child shall be born and government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Emmanuel. which means God with us.And the discovery of the tomb where he was buried
if we can believe god created the day and night
and the journey of the Israelite in Egypt, the parting of the red sea, the manner that fell from heaven,any anybody who assume Jesus to be a prophet should go back to his or her drawing board and ask them selves these question, before and after Jesus, which prophet of god did what he did during his time.-
There is nothing to prove that this actually happened, nothing. It's here-say.
What miracle did Jesus do that can be proved?
I saw a documentary that recreated every alleged miracle and explained them all in modern times. Again bear in mind these stories were recounted years after the fact and are no doubt mostly symbolic in any case.
We still have people today who can claim to heal. Are they also God's children?
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"Is it just faith or something more concrete?"
What kind of answer are you looking for? Are you looking for proof or something? I don't like it when people question others religions like they're looking down on it. I believe that Jesus is the son of God because that's what I believe.-
and I don't like it when religious people tell anyone who doesn't believe what they believe they will fry in hell. But that's not what I am asking, I seriously wonder why this belief system which is so 'unlikely' is so established.
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But why are you only questioning Christianity?
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Because in those days they didn't have DNA testing so they couldn't prove paternity. If Jeebus was born nowadays it would be relatively easy to prove paternity by a quick appearance on Maury Povich's show
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Q. Why do people believe Jesus is the son of God?
Ans . Because they are deluded.
"a recent documentary suggested Jesus was fathered by a Roman Soldier possibly the result of a rape"
Could you be referring to the Monty Python one?? If so, the result of the rape was Brian, not Jesus, and the lady wasn't Mary.
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no, his name is Pantera
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Iulius_Abdes_Pantera
"The alleged connection to Jesus derives from the interpretation of a single statement by Celsus, an anti-Christian Greek philosopher quoted by Origen in Contra Celsum. According to Origen, Celsus wrote:
when she (Mary) was pregnant she was turned out of doors by the carpenter to whom she had been betrothed, as having been guilty of adultery, and that she bore a child to a certain soldier named Panthera.
A figure known as Yeshu ben Pandera is mentioned in the Tosefta, a secondary collection of Jewish oral law. Yeshu (Joshua) is Hebrew for Jesus. However there were many persons with the name of Yeshu.[2]
The link between Celsus's Panthera and Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera was first suggested in Marcello Craveri's 1966 book La vita di Gesù.[3] The connection depends on the assumption that Celsus' information about Jesus' illegitimacy was correct, and so a soldier with this name, living at the right period, might be the father. Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera's career would place him in Judea (present day Palestine) as a young man around the time of Jesus' conception." -
Interesting stuff here.. will look it up..
BTW.. I was referring to the movie Monty Python- The Life of Brian.. it was supposed to be a joke.
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I am not saying that Jesus wasn't a good bloke etc, but I think the only reason Christianity perpetuates the myth that he was of devine origins is so that they blast the other religions out of the sea and seeing their religion as the only one deserving of attention.
I prefer to believe myself that we are all the children of God regardless of beliefs and fan clubs (fan clubs being of course religions)and no one group has a monopoly on God!-
perfectly said
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I am questioning Christianity as this thread is asking why people believe Jesus is son of God, no other religion claims to have a son of God do they? Maybe they do?-
There are other anthropomorphic religions such as Rastafarianism and Buddhism, which believe in a human incarnation of Diety, which is rather similar
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similar (ish) I suppose...not very mainstream though, it never really caught on did it...
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Jesus said that He is the son of God. He was willing to go to the cross to prove it. You can bash Christianity all you want (I do it myself), but even other religions respect Him. Are you willing to say that Jesus was crazy, delusional, or just a flat-out liar? I'm not. I believe He is who He says He is.
@MarzRingo: You make good arguments. I've even read your blog, and I enjoy your writing and your righteous anger. I don't agree with you on this, though. You can point to evil and injustice in this world and say that it's evidence that God doesn't exist, but that's an emotional response to human nature.
Evil and injustice is evidence that human beings have free will. If God were to intervene everywhere all the time, what would be the point of having free will? Also, how did you come to the conclusion that God APPROVES of the evil and injustice you cite?
The Old Testament God is all about showing how evil people can be, punishment and judgment for it, the wages of sin, and the Ten Commandments. Then the New Testament was about Jesus being the bridge between God and people. There are basically two commandments after Jesus: Love God. Love others. If people do this, they're not going to go out to rape and shoot other people, etc.
Yes, I know people commit horrible atrocities in the name of religion, but they're not serving God when they do this. This, again, is free will; the collective will and ego of those who would elevate their own agenda above God's.-
I don't recall any of the RED letters claiming to be God's son. He does call himself the "son of man" as did other teachers of ethical Judaism (Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc.). His teachings appear to be dirivative of Hillel the Elder, and he was probably a desciple. As to his own divinity, the Gospels record his words thus:
"Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good"--Mt19:17
"Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone"--Mk10:18; Lk19:18
Only the Gospel of John is at variance in this, and it is the one of the four upon which the vast bulk of the anthropomorphic doctrines of Trinitarianism is based!
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"I've yet to see any material worth its salt make that bold claim."
I have a couple college text books right here that maintain there's no evidence to support it. And there was a big archaeological dig searching for evidence of Exodus occurring. They found none, even though they had hoped to (the search was led by Israeli archaeologists). The account of Exodus doesn't even match up with Egyptian history. There is no current history text book in use that states that Exodus occurred. I mean those are just the facts.
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Empress- It's true that bad things happening in the world do not disprove God's existence. I know that.
But in the Old Testament, God actually ADVOCATED these things. He told Moses to commit GENOCIDE. He advocated wiping out other non-jewish tribes. He ADVOCATED raping their women and enslaving them. The God of the Old Testament was a prejudice and sadistic one. I can happily show you passages where he tells Moses to murder, rape, and pillage. Thank God (heehee) we are now finding out through archaeological evidence that most of these things never actually happened.-
"Thank God (heehee) we are now finding out through archaeological evidence that most of these things never actually happened."
Just for starters...
Bible Archaeology: Cities of Abraham's Time
Bible Archaeology often begins with the early cities of Abraham and the Patriarchs. Abraham's ancestral home of Ur, a powerful city-state of southern Mesopotamia, is mentioned four times in the Old Testament. Located in modern Iraq, Ur has been excavated on and off since the 1800s and has revealed a wealth of information about the pagan culture of Abraham's time. In Genesis 11:31, Abraham's father, Terah, moved his family north to Haran, an ancient city that exists in modern-day Turkey. Also found in that same area of Turkey are villages that still have the names of Abraham's grandfather and great grandfather, Nahor and Serug (Genesis 11:22).
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Are you referring to Numbers 31, where God tells Moses to avenge the children of Israel, and tells him how to do it? To be honest with you, if I knew I had the green light from God to give as good as I got, I'd get medieval on some asses, vigilante justice and all that! No, I'm (somewhat) kidding. This is how holy wars get started.
Bill Maher says that the Old Testament God is psychotic. I actually don't disagree. He seems highly emotional. I don't take the Bible literally, and if these events did not occur, then I think they're meant to illustrate human folly so that we might learn from it.
I still believe that Jesus existed, walked this earth, revealed a loving, faithful, patient, forgiving God to all who would listen, performed miracles, was crucified, and rose from the dead. I also think He was radical, questioned authority, and freed people of that time from legalism and dogma. His enemies were the religious zealots of His time.
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Let's keep going, shall we?
Bible Archaeology: Cities of Ancient Israel
Bible archaeology finds its ultimate significance in the cities of ancient Israel. Mentioned more than 50 times in the Bible, Jericho was the initial entry point into the Promised Land for the Israelite people (Joshua 6). Archaeology has now confirmed the location of this fortified city of walls and towers that guarded entry to the land of Canaan from the east. Shechem was an important city throughout the Old Testament. In fact, Jeroboam made it the capital of the northern kingdom of Israel in the 10th century BC (1 Kings 12:25). Excavations have uncovered huge walls and a fortified gate system containing such important finds as the temple of Baal from the story of Abimelech (Judges 9:46). Excavations in the north have also revealed the city of Dan, which was a Canaanite stronghold conquered by Israel (specifically, the tribe of Dan) around 1150 BC (Judges 18)...
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You have said: Jesus said that He is the son of God.
Excuse me but there no statement attributed to Jesus of Nazareth found in the New Testament accounts wherein he states any of the following:
(1) that he is God;
(2) that he is the only Son of God;
(3) that he is the Messiah.
In order to create a new religion based on Jesus what had to be done was to cherry pick from the Tanakh (Old Testament) scriptures, and create an whole new interpretation of those scriptures - an interpretation that is at odds with the Jewish interpretation.
Now turning to the the Tanakh (Old Testament) where do you think that you find any reference at all to the three claims I listed above?
Jesus was not the only one who was referred to as the Son or Sons of God. Many others in the Bible were called the sons of God and children of God, so does that make all those people God? I say not.
In the Tanakh, the phrase "sons of god" has multiple meanings:
* The Hebrew the phrase Benei Elohim, often translated as "The Sons of God", describes angels, demigods or immensely powerful human beings. (Genesis 6:2-4)
* It is used to denote a human judge or ruler (Ps. 82. 6, "children of the Most High"; in many passages "gods" and "judges" seem to be equations); and to the real or ideal king over Israel (II Sam. 7. 14, with reference to David and his dynasty (and Jesus was NOT of the House of David); comp. Ps. 89. 27, 28).
* The phrases "sons of God" and "children of God" are applied to Israel as a people (comp. Ex. 4. 22 and Hos. 11. 1), the Jewish people, and also to all members of the human race.
In the New Testament statements attributed to Jesus calling God his Father, or his own Father does not amount to calling himself the only Son of God in the way that Christians purport at all.
It is common if you are addressing yourself you will say my Father, or my house etc. isn't it? Jesus called God the Father of his people (the Jews - the children of Israel )too, so when Jesus referred to God as my Father he was doing this when he was addressing himself. And when Jesus addressed other people he calls God their Father.
If one of those people were alone, they could address God as their Father and say my Father in Heaven. Would that mean that the people are equal with God? Would that mean they are God? I say not.
In the Tanakh (Old Testament) the term "son of God" does not connote any form of physical descent from, or essential unity with, God.
Please understand that although I am NOT a Christian I do not take issue with any of the New Testament teachings ascribed to Jesus. Jesus was a devout Jew who was strongly influenced by Eastern religions. He comprehended the correlations between Judaism and eastern religions, therefore, he taught his disciples to meditate and he taught these principles:- dana = authentic generosity (charitable giving of the self and sharing of possessions, donation)
- metta = selfless love and good will toward all beings (loving kindness)
- karuna = compassion (respect, acceptance, forgiveness)
- mudita = altruistic joy filled with peace and contentment (appreciative joy at the success and good fortune of others)
- sila = abstaining from physical and vocal actions that cause harm to oneself and others
- uppekka = equanimity (an inclusive state of open mind free of attachment, aversion, bigotry, craving, ignorance and intolerance)
I am fully cognizant of where those teachings were derived from. And it is my position that they have been twisted by the Christian corpocracies and institutions and cults.-
Thank you, timethief. You are a veritable encyclopedia of information!
Christians believe that they are children of God, but there's a difference between being a son or daughter of God and claiming to be the Son of God, which Jesus does here:
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to Him, "Lord, evermore give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:32-35)
Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going." (John 8:12-14)
I am so not a Bible-banger, but I had to chime in on this. Jesus often spoke in parables, in ways that were much less clear than the versus above. It's like meeting the man on the mountaintop and asking the meaning of life. He will tell you things that make sense to you once they make sense through the scope of your experience. If he says it bluntly, would everyone understand? Would everyone accept it? I don't think so. I think personal interpretation through the lens of our own experience will determine what those words mean. -
As a person who was born into and raised within the Christian evangelical fundamentalist milieu, I was was drilled in scripture and reciting it by rote from the age of 4 onward. I am also a Bible College graduate. Thus, I am more than familiar with the contents of the Gospel of John and of all the Books in the anthology referred to as the Bible.
I do NOT accept the words written in the books that comprise the anthology to be the word of God, nor do I believe that they are infallible.
The tradition that an apostle of Jesus wrote the Gospel of John can be found as early as the first two decades of the second century, and there are many Church Fathers in the remainder of the second century that ascribe the text to John the Apostle. However, the Dead Sea Scrolls have suggested an early Jewish origin, The parallels and similarities to the Essenne Scroll, Rule of the Community, in fact, are so numerous and conclusive that they seriously challenge the theory that the Gospel of John was the latest to be written, and that it shows marked Greek influence.
Since the higher criticism of the 19th century, critical scholars have questioned the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus and I stand with them. Jesus was a devout Jew and I do not accept this gospel, which was derived from early Jewish sources re-written and embellished long after Jesus was dead to be an accurate portrayal of what he may or may not have said.
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You don't need to prove anything or try to convince anyone. If they don't believe it, they just don't believe it and nothing you show them will sway their opinion. This whole thing is just going to keep going back and forth, there's no point.-
I just had a little time to kill on my hands.
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Still spitting in the wind, I see, TheBigRuski!
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Want more archeological evidence from different sources?
Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea?
excerpt:
The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos
of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.
"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."
source: www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168
and this...
On diving down to the sea bed, in 1978, Ron Wyatt and his two sons found and photographed numerous coral encrusted chariot parts. Several dives since then have revealed more and more evidence. One of his finds included an eight spoke chariot wheel, which Ron took to the director of Egyptian Antiquities, Dr. Nassif Mohammed Hassan. After examining it he immediately announced it to be of the eighteenth dynasty, dating the exodus to 1446 BC. When asked how he knew this Dr. Hassan explained that the eight spoke wheel was only used during this period, the time of Ramases II and Tutmoses (Moses). Chariot boxes, human skeletal remains, four, six and eight spoke chariot wheels all lie as a silent testimony to the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea.
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But what about the actual "parting of the Red Sea"?
This again from Ron Wyatt....
Perhaps most amazing of all, is the presence of an under water pathway. Along the length of the the Gulf of Aquaba, depths reach to an average of one mile and the Egyptian shoreline drops steeply under water at a slope of about 45 degrees. If the Israelites had tried to have crossed anywhere else along the Gulf of Aquaba they would have been faced with an extremely steep drop to about one mile. With all of their animals and wagons, the task would have been practically impossible. Only here, on the shores of Nuweiba, does the 'pathway' drop off at a gradual slope of one in fourteen, to a depth of just over 850 meters. On the Saudi side the slope climbs again at a slope of one in ten. The Bible describes it as, "Away in the sea and a " path in the mighty waters" (Isaiah 43:16, 17) The distance from Nuweiba to Saudi Arabia is about 9.6 miles. And the width of the under water bridge is estimated to be 900 meters.
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They believe it based on faith because a huge corproation call the Vatican cultivated that belief for centuries. Logic and concrete facts never come into it.
It in part also comes from a misinterpratation of culture and langauge. I don't have a link handy but there is research on this topic. Women of Mary's status has a "virgin" period of time when they were not supposed to be having sex with their husbands, mostly this related to wanting to have babies at the right time of year.-
What this has to do with the price of tea in China....I don't know.
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That isn't terribly surprising
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Ex-atheist, Lee Strobel said, "Essentially, I realized that to stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take . . ."
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TheBigRuski said, "An atheist is someone who believes that nothing created everything. A scientific impossibility!"
Or the alternative - A theist is someone who believes that nothing created a supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient, all powerful deity that created everything. An even bigger scientific impossibility!" -
A theist is someone who believes that nothing created a supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient, all powerful, deity that created everything. An even bigger scientific impossibility!"
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Ruski can you be any more off base? The universe has it's start so long ago that no one knows how it happened, if something came from nothing or something else happened altogether we don't know, can only make guesses and theories. This really has nothing to do with Atheism since Atheism means you don't believe in deities, the origins of the universe really doesn't factor in.
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for me their is a steps between believing in a higher power or even something who has create life and think i can communicate with this higher power.. i dont cross this barrier .
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i think their is more probability that Extraterrestrial has create us than god..
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Traditional Christian claims about Jesus’ divinity rest on the virgin birth, resurrection, and the miracles he performed during his lifetime. These claims have not been verified.
Nobody but Jesus’ mother, Mary, could have known if he were really the product of a virgin birth.
The New Testament does not make claim that anyone saw the resurrection, and therefore the reality of the bodily resurrection hinges on the missing body or the empty tomb and, above all, on the validity of the experiences of those who claimed they saw Jesus risen.
According to Christian tradition, eleven (of the twelve) disciples and Mary Magdalene saw Jesus alive after his crucifixion, and “the apostles” saw Jesus ascend into the heavens at the conclusion of his earthly mission.
See Mark 16:1-20; Matthew 28:1-20; Luke 24; and John 20. The Gospels disagree over whether Jesus appeared only in Jerusalem, only in the Galilee, or in both sites.
Christianity’s credibility derives mostly from its descriptions of the miracles Jesus performed. For instance, “the disciples” saw Jesus walk on the Sea of Galilee. The text fails to mention who the disciples were, or how many of them were present, but, given the plural reference, there must have been at least two or as many as all twelve. Also, three disciples (Peter, James, and John) claim to have witnessed Elijah and Moses materialize, confer with Jesus, and then disappear again.
Well, there exists a disagreement among Christian sources over who the disciples were. Mark and Matthew, for example list Thaddaeus among the twelve, while Luke and Acts have no record of such a disciple. Luke and Acts likewise list "Judas of James", a name missing in Mark and Matthew.
Many times “a crowd” saw Jesus “heal” the disabled, blind, and insane. (See, for example, Mark 2: 12; 8:24-5; and 5: 15) here sources also describe how Jesus fed “as many as 5,000 men” with only five loaves of bread.
John 6:10. Well, Mark omits any mention of the actual number of witnesses, describing only a “large crowd’ (6:34) that “sat down on the ground in squares of hundreds and fifties.“ (6:40). -
No anyone dare to call himself son of GOD and no anyone have the power like JESUS. Jesus is the son of the GOD !! A-Men -
I'm not sure where to begin here. I might have to break this up..
First of all, Ron Wyatt was a quack. He was not even a real archaeologist. He had zero formal training. He was never even licensed to excavate because he didn't even have a legitimate Bacehlors' in archaeology. Even BIBLICAL SCHOLARS say he was a fraud. If you were writing a term paper, you'd be failed immediately for using such specious sources. Just Wiki his name. He claimed to have found Noah's Ark as well. But it doesn't end there. This man, who had zero training or expertise, claims to have found just about every artifact that would prove the validity of the Bible. Wow. What a lucky guy!
If his findings were legitimate, why were his findings never published in any archaeology publication or journal?
Can you find evidence from a legitimate archaeologist that supports Exodus as its portrayed in the Bible? Or even a current history text book? Or anyone without a clear pro-Bible bias?
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Respected, legitimate, published, JEWISH archaeologists such as Israel Finkelstein and Ze'ev Herzog found no evidence that Exodus occurred. The Bible purports that up to a million or more Jews were in the desert for decades. And yet nothing has been found.
Meanwhile, the "wheel" that Wyatt supposedly found... can't be found. Where is it? You'd think it would be in a museum somewhere. But let's say legitimate wheels were found. It's quite a reach to say that they prove the story of a million Jews leaving Egypt with the help of Yahweh.
The chariots most likely belonged to the Hyksos who invaded Egypt.
Then there's the historical issue. Why does Egyptian history not mention Exodus? It would have been a pretty big event. But there's nothing. Not to mention the fact that the account of Exodus is inconsistent with Egyptian history. -
Empress- Here are some of the things that bother me...
Killing homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
How about killing anyone with different beliefs?
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Do you agree with killing women who have sex before marriage?
"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst." (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Here's a good one from Numbers...
"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
What a guy Moses was, huh?
How about some more rape?
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Those are just a few of the quotes that prevent me from believing. I could offer 100 more. But you get it. -
Here, God tells David he will punish him by having other men rape David's wives in broad day light. Oh, he also killed his kid. This is sick. It speaks for itself.
"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." (2 Samuel 12:11-14)
I could continue but i'd be spamming because there's so much. God advocates rape. He advocates genocide. He advocates the murder of homosexuals, non-virgins, those with different beliefs, etc. No thanks. Maybe i'm wrong. But hey, at least there will be some cool people to hang out with in hell.-
Could it be that you are talking about the history of man and not what God advocates?
While we are on the subject of advocating...here is what He really does advocate...
Jesus replied, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,'and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'" (Matthew 19:19)
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One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'There is no commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:28-31)
You may consider having an open mind and not creating your own window of deciphering what God sees as good and evil. In many cases, it's beyond what you or I can understand.
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"A theist is someone who believes that nothing created a supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient, all powerful, deity that created everything. An even bigger scientific impossibility!"
Oh no! There's alot more to it than that. That's not specifically theists you're referring to. Ruski offered a quote of Lee Strobel. I know Strobel is a christian but the quote doesn't say so. You'd think he was a deist.
A deist can say, "Ya know what? I just can't believe that this came out of nowhere. I can't believe this is an accident. This must have been designed by a greater power".
Ok. Fine. It ends there. A deist doesn't subscribe to any faith, just the notion that God exists. But that's not only what theists believe. A theist says...
"Not only do i believe there was a creator. But i believe he gave me rules to follow. I believe he cares about what i eat, who i have sex with, and pretty much every act that i commit. If i disobey him, he will punish me. Oh, and he wants me to worship him as much as possible".
I can understand someone being a deist. What i can't understand is someone reading the Bible and saying, "Yup. Sounds good to me".-
[What i can't understand is someone reading the Bible and saying, "Yup. Sounds good to me".]
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You don't understand because there's more to it than just believing the Bible.
I once thought the Bible was a foreign language. Didn't get any of it, and I didn't want to read much of it.
But it was through the transformational power of accepting Jesus that I began to understand the Bible. All of a sudden, instead of the Bible being some kind of alien language it was words of gold, illuminating and powerful.
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Empress, I never said anything derogatory about Jesus - I referred to him as a 'good bloke'
I said there's no 'good' reason to believe he wasn't human/mortal. Saying you're a thing doesn't make you a thing.
Meanwhile re you saying he must be son of God cos he went to the cross, this really isn't very supportive evidence is it? Lots of people went to the cross and lots of people self sacrifice for their beliefs. Look at all the suicide bombers are they also Gods direct descendants?
If Jesus wasn't the same genetic makeup as the rest of us, this would make him an alien?
What planet does this alien come from and are there more like him?
I am actually more willing to believe in aliens than the son of God story. Perhaps that star in the night sky was a space ship.
Meanwhile I actually don't believe this, he was a mortal man. But that doesn't detract from what he achieved in his life time. -
I believe of every creatures in this world are sons and daughters of God. By practicality as long as we are inequipt of explanation how everything was created by practicality and mastery of life and spirit.
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They don't.
Jesus was a smart guy who lived in difficult times. There are plenty of people alive today who would have slipped into his role. He did a good job fighting against religious orthodoxy and money-grubbing. Today, he would be considered a liberal socialist and suspected of communism, not to mention homosexuality. -
The simple answer is I believe the bible.
I believe the bible is supported by sound evidence.
The bible identifies Him as being God.
As I said, the simple answer as to why I believe Jesus Christ to be God.
If you are really interested I suggest you go to your local library and pick up a book called 'The Case for Christ'. A very good book on this topic that explains very well the Christian belief.
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