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It seems like when people from different religions get to talking religion, anger and resentment surfaces and ultimately, in the larger scale of things, wars break out. Why is this?

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  1. MarinaRey
    Who knows. The way I see it, having strong root and belief in your faith or religious is fine. You just have to be accepting that not everyone will agree. I'm very sturdy and steadfast in my faith, but I make a point to not judge or look down on others that disagree. In fact, most of my closest friends and I share opposing views, but we refuse to let that keep us from realizing what good people we are to each other.
    1. corfubob
      Many of the loveliest people I have known were devout believers in God, MarinaRey. I was only ever angry at their loss of curiosity, and the damage this did them. What are you supposed to feel however when 'belief' is harnessed to wage war or motivate terrorists.
  2. dmohan123
    Maybe addicted to drug usage. Maybe no belief in any religion. Maybe the mind is not free. Maybe sensitive. Maybe there is no Unity.
  3. drjay1966
    Being called an infidel or condemned to eternal punishment doesn't sit well with some people.
    1. stealth2000
      but why do they call "us" infidels? That's what the question should be. We are all ready to be mad at everyone, because no one wants to listen to anyone. Actually, we all listen, but only hear what we want to hear.

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  4. MadScientist
    I think the problem comes in when people present opposing views on something so core to a person's belief. To accept an alternate viewpoint is to admit the possibility that you have it wrong, that you are not going to "paradise" or "heaven".

    This is the part of thier lives that they must take on FAITH as there is no way to be sure without dying to find out. So there is no room for error in that equation.
    1. ArsenicCookies
      I agree 100%
  5. radub
    first of all i'm not a religious person at all. Thing is people are defending their ideas/points of view all the time. It's not only religion it's in every other domain, take computers for example. If a Windows, Mac and Linux user are put together they will get in a "nasty" conversation and probably kill each other. You can't expect everyone to like/want/do what you do because we are free to choose. I'm not agreeing with "religious" ppl that go to the church all day to show everyone how religious they are and the moment they get out start to swear etc...
    Fights/Wars always started from some ppl's different point of views about something and that's not gonna change because it's in our nature.
    1. stealth2000
      That's a great point. We are always defending something or another, and it all boils down to ego.

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  6. footiam
    It depends on the religion and the person.
    1. stealth2000
      That's true. Some religions do preach tolerance and more importantly, love and respect to all things.

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  7. danj88x
    Been that way since the beginning of structured religions
    1. stealth2000
      I can't say it goes back that far. I wasn't around and I'm sure it wasn't documented or passed down. It probably became an issue when there was more than one religion.

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  8. sunnyberra
    Because it's all open to interpretation, and how an individual has learned to make sense of the information can be a very basic and powerful foundation for how they live and view their environment. No one likes to be questioned on it or shown differently, because it can feel as though they themselves are being interrogated. So, they get defensive and resort to the 'I'm right; you're wrong--so suck my big toe,' line of reasoning and it devolves from there.
    But, that's just my take on some situations, anyway
    1. stealth2000
      That's a very interesting and practical answer. This is probably the exact reason why people get defensive. You put so much into it, shape your life around it; almost like a relationship. You don't want o know that your mate is cheating on you, so you defend them to yourself.


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  9. HelloAnnie
    I don't think it is only when two people with different religions will spark off argument. One can be talking to the another of the same faith and still disagree on principles.
    1. corfubob
      A'religion' is surely a set of beliefs that followers are encouraged, or years ago,tortured to subscribe to in their entirety, so I would expect the anger to be greater between believers who dissent. However, study would always 'prove' which one is in the right because no religion survived by being flexible or learning new morals for new situations, did they?
    2. stealth2000
      That's exactly why we have so many religions. People of the same faith disagreeing and one branches off and establishes a new church with their own beliefs.

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  10. siralmo
    because it causes soooo much pain
  11. polybore
    Actually there is evidence that religious people are less prone to mental health problems. The fact is 99% of people of whatever faith get on with their lives and respect those of other faiths.

    As usual it is a minority of bigots who tend to get the press. They are your angry ones. Doubtless these people will not derive the spiritual benefits of their faith and will in all probability be brought to account for it when they meet their maker.
    1. corfubob
      Yes polybore, that is probably true, but so are primitive people, so perhaps are most people who were taught to accept a faith WHEN VERY YOUNG that conditions them to 'believe' rather than 'question'. I went through sunday school, but found serenity in questions, questions,and more questions. I am ANGRY, S2,because young minds are ruined by religion.
    2. stealth2000
      99% will not start a war, but beyond that, i think 99% is a bit high.

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  12. Svelmoe
    Cause much of many religions has roots in "us and them" fragmentation and lack of respect for others choice.

    So when confronted with the fact that ones own belief system perhaps isn't the right one and/or not shared by all others, many seems to get defensive.
    1. stealth2000
      There are many ultimatums when dealing with religions. Those are the things that keep peace from blossoming. It's this way or you are wrong and going to hell. I hate ultimatums.

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  13. DangerMouse
    B/c it's unnecessary to constantly bring it up. People are either in or they're out. It's not needed to ask others 5 times a day why they don't believe like they have to answer to anyone...
  14. MylissaAriana
    Because everyone believes that they, and only they, are right. Few people can accept/consider that there can be more than one right answer when it comes to religion.
    1. corfubob
      Bravo MylissaAriana, There are right answers of course, but Atheists just love looking more than finding.
    2. MylissaAriana
      Thank you Bob!
      There's nothing wrong with looking and some people are very happy never finding. But having found, people should still look and allow their views to be challenged, if only to strengthen their own faith!
    3. stealth2000
      Brilliant. Give that lady an apple.

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  15. roentarre
    Key to religeon is art of manipulation!
    1. stealth2000
      I would say persuasion, but hey, that's what I think.

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    2. corfubob
      I agree so entirely with roentarre. Persuasion yes of course S2, but the ancient aim of persuasion was surely manipulation. A big club where the men could go off and 're-educate' the heathen,(expand the empire) and the women could pray at home knowing they were on the side of God.
    3. stealth2000
      ask the American Indians, right?
  16. kim88
    I can say its just a human deficiency gene at play.
    1. corfubob
      What is Kim88, the anger or the belief? I believe that both are partly genetic in cause. Can you expand on your view?
    2. kim88
      Sorry I wasn't able to express I think its just our intolerance towards any other view which causes these wars.
    3. stealth2000
      Eckhart Tolle talks of the human deficiency, the insanity of our thought processes. A New Earth is a great book, if you haven't read it yet.

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  17. harveyavatar
    ...if "God" were only truth, they wouldn't be quarrelling, as sometimes happens, as if they wanted to possess him!

    beingandquirckiness.blogspot.com/2008/12/drama.html
    1. stealth2000
      I am not sure what you are saying. Could you clarify please? Thanks
    2. harveyavatar
      @Stealth,
      you should understand if you read the blogpost
  18. 9render5
    "If one religion is
    true, then all the others also must be true. Thus the Hindu faith is yours as much as mine."-Swami Vivekananda
    1. stealth2000
      Ha ha. I am taking a Life after death class in college and Hindu is definitely a religion to know about. Good quote.

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  19. freudpsyche
    it's a very sensitive matter. why people discriminate them selves with religion I don't know. Even some educated one's do the same. one thing people are forgetting is every body is a human being first. But among certain communities they want to be superior in the world for that sake they are ready to take any foul step.

    Brother hood should be spread , peace and love should be bartered not the guns and bullets.

    The religions which has certain things in that are old fashioned they were suitable centuries back but not now.

    According those times those situations they wrote all those things. Previously people were not broad minded they were much selfish and the person who started or who wrote all these nuisances is not a god after all he is also a human being. He wrote according to his mind and his experiences.

    But One thing can be done you should take few good things from them and leave the unnecessary things aside.

    In some religions some people cut their body or hurt their body with razors and knives during certain festivals, how barbarous ( uncivilized) it is.

    why you hurt for some body whom you have not seen.

    Take only positive things. The persons who started or who wrote religious texts is also a human being.

    Spread peace and love .
    1. MylissaAriana
      Can you give any examples of what religions encourage their followers to cut themselves during religious festivals?

      Also, although some religions ahve certainly caused a great deal of misery and violence during their histories, they have also contributed (and continue to contribute) to 'peace' and 'love'.

      As many have said before, its usually not the religions themselves causing 'trouble', but the people practicing them...
    2. stealth2000
      Thanks Freud. Another thing I'd like to add to that is most religions to promote peace and unity and fellowship. Man finds small differences and magnifies them exponentially, making it sometimes impossible to co-exist.

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  20. environmentalbooty
    Because people think they are a religion.
    1. stealth2000
      ok, "e-booty". That's an interesting answer. Most people that in a sense are in charge of the religion and spreading, believe that they are above the religion as well.
    2. gigliobc
      Cool answer, me also i thinked to answer in that way.
  21. corfubob
    Sorry MylissaAriana religious people do not bomb each other or lead crusades, their 'leaders' and politicians do this for evil reasons or self-defense perhaps, but they can always quote their holy books and motivate simple believers. "Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war" Even the 'christian' hymns use the image of war. I have seen footage of self-mutilation during festivals, maybe Hindu, I don't remember. I believe that belief in god makes you a good person MA, perhaps you don't need a church and it's leaders, do you?
    1. WilliamTell
      For most people, believing in god is a distraction away from reality. Not that this isn't a bad thing. Distractions get us through life and although I believe in god, I also feel sorry for people sitting in pews singing dull songs, family members trying to stay awake & being in a religion that is supposedly better than others. Boy aren't we a weird spices. If there is a god, then god's probably watching us like we watch tv seeing what's good on eating some devine popcorn.
    2. stealth2000
      There you go. Religions are used to promote ambitious individual's personal agendas. Excellent answer.


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    3. MylissaAriana
      sorry, I wasn't disbelieving the ritual 'harm', was just curious! and to clarify, I include religious leaders in 'the people who practise religion'.

      as for religious people not bombing - I would suggest that some Islamic fundamentalists are doing just that... Although certainly there's politics tied up in it.
  22. dekadaye
    are you being serious?
    1. corfubob
      Are you asking something?
    2. stealth2000
      That is very serious and if you don't think so, why do we always pray before we blow things up? To make the followers feel comfortable with these horrific decisions of war. ...and that's both sides

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  23. WilliamTell
    Maybe because of a history of millions of people killed because they didn't "believe" or believed in some 'wrong' religion. Or maybe its just too many people preach about it being good for us and makes us better people then turn back on the TV and watch hockey players beat each other up to a pulp. In a religious way of course. Hmmmm. Shall we go on....
  24. ruttergod
    Because religion is based in uncertainty, so no one really has true inner knowledge, so then we react when someone disagrees with us. There's a sort of brotherhood that people feed off of in a religion, like a gang, the stronger it gets then the more distance occurs from those outside the religion, so there's this feeling of "us and them". Then they set out to make all "them"s into "us"es, and if they can't then they react sometimes violently. Just like a zombie game.
    1. stealth2000
      Faith. So our defensive reaction is a natural reflex?
  25. Norski
    Depends on what you mean by "religion."

    For religion, Westboro Baptist Church ( anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/tolerance-only-goes-so-far.html ) style, the answer seems obvious - to me, anyway. That bunch, like some others, seems to live on anger.

    For religion, Mother Teresa of Calcutta ( www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20031019_madre-teres... ) style, it's hard for me to imagine religion starting a war - ending one, maybe; picking up the pieces afterward, yes.
    1. stealth2000
      Thanks Norski. The point you just made is that religion is organized, run, manipulated, spread, taught, endured, achieved and whatever other word you want to put in there BY HUMANS. Some have good intentions, some have bad intentions. Ultimately, persuasive and ambitious individuals use religion to promote their own ideals. This could be good for all, or it could mean death for many. It's all depends on the one in charge.

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    2. corfubob
      Hi Norski, is not religion a formalized set of ideas? Ideas don't start war do they. It seems to me that God, invented and re-invented all over the world inside the mind of man, was an idea driven by NEEDS needs to understand nature etc - and that's why there are so many. The baptists you mentioned may join because they are angry types, fundamentalists (you are against ideas right MA they are religious, extremely so)need to be violent types, or are crazy in some other way. I do not feel the 'anger' we are discussing against ideas, but against the people who manipulate children, congregations, etc for their own ends. 'Born again's are another story.
  26. Anok
    It' snot just religion, it's any closely held belief. Religion, politics, personal opinions - when one gets into a debate with another about the subject, they start taking criticisms of the subject as criticisms of themselves.

    When debate points or discussions are taken to a personal level, they tend to get nasty, particularly when you have two opposing views.

    When person A says religion B is X, Y and Z, person B automatically interprets X, Y, and Z as a personal attack against them. Then they shoot back with an actual personal insult, which causes a downward spiral etc..

    It's generally why people don't discuss religion or politics in mixed company.
  27. gigliobc
    Not only religion make people angry during discussions but politic and sports also...sure a really religious man could not became angry during discussion about religious argoments but is it possible that you are be mistaken beetween become exite by discussion concerned religious or moral themes an become angry.
  28. umesh
    because they have not understood the religion.
    1. roentarre
      Mankind is not supposed to understand God. Different wavelength.
    2. umesh
      I am not talking of understanding God.
      no religion teaches to hate or harm anybody.(not even in thoughts)
      Religion is to be followed in behavior and not in superficial actions.
  29. corfubob
    Just so roentarre. Umesh, surely the religious literature gives graphic instructions about how to deal with heretics, barbarians, infidels,and other unfortunates?
    1. 9render5
      that then becomes 'no relegion'...because even if some relegion(whic i dont think exists at all..)preach violence,the followeres of that relegion would never openely say that they support violence et cetera...
      relegion is itself the synonym to the word 'freedom'... freedom to choice is the relegion....you follow a relgion or no... even if you are following NOTHING...you are actually RELEGIOUSLY following nothing....that is relgion..not the ritual part.....the ritual part have in them their own goods and bads...and the relgion is the art of finding out goods and only goods among the bads and only bads...if you achive that ...then i think no ANGER can even touch your soul.. :-)


      “Change is always subjective. To talk of evil and misery is nonsense, because they do not exist outside. If I am immune from all anger, I never feel angry. If am immune from all hatred, I never feel hatred.” Swami Vivekananda..,.,.


      -narendra
  30. smaz12
    Religion makes others angry when important decisions that affect others are made in the name of religion. The 2004 election clearly went for Bush because of the pressure placed by religious leaders(read, Jerry Falwell) to vote for a pro-life candidate. That pressure resulted in the country being in a never ending war and costing lives. No one would have any issue with religion if it did not affect others, and had no role in politics. Technically, to remain tax exempt, they are to not be partisan in any way, but we all know they support Republican candidates at every opportunity and represent millions of votes.
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  31. TonyBriley
    Because they are stupid?
  32. brexians
    what is religion?
    a collection of hate rules and anachronistic ethics...
    1. corfubob
      These things are not what attract decent people to religion. Surely there has always been a need in some people to answer their big questions like 'where did all this come from?' Where do I go when I die?' (I can't just disappear, I can't!) Then came language, and then came the priests to explain the 'magic' (for a small gift) Then came the churches with their marketing and PR genius. (Who can say a cathedral is nothing) Then came the religious 'Unions' to crush the small churches, burn the heretics, recruit for wars, etc. This is not my opinion, this is history. Now, I wonder why I am angry? 9render5 - 'an eye for an eye'? Gods violence is preached everywhere.
  33. SxCAINE
    Religion makes people "angry" because religion is not universally definite.
  34. crazedmama
    Religion and politics are things that I hate to even discuss. People want to think that their beliefs are the ONLY belief.. and if you dont believe what they believe then you are wrong! These are two subjects I don't talk about! I believe everyone can have their own opinions and own beliefs but not everyone feels that way!
    1. HalfCrazy
      I'm with you here. I seldom talk about Religion or Politics. And if I do, I type up some half baked and lazy comments. Everyone would just jump and scream at each other if someone opposed them anyway. So to end the long story, I'd rather not post Religion or Political stuff. They never end.
    2. timethief
      @halfcrazy
      I agree with you. IMO in an online community where diversity prevails like this one, we are all best served by not posting religious stuff to the General Discussion forum. There are 13 Christian groups at BC and IMO that's where religious topics ought to be posted www.blogcatalog.com/groups/tag/Christian

      Those of other religions are also free to create their own groups as well www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/bc-groups-find-one-start-one
  35. enhancephotos
    Original poster,, great question and I've been wondering this my whole life!!!
  36. timethief
    Question: Why does religion make people angry?

    Religion does not make angry. The choice of a belief system or the choice not to have one is a personal choice. What makes me angry is those Christians who attempt to brainwash me with their personal choice.

    (1) In face-to-face everyday life, how many people do you know who would walk into a room of total strangers and spout scripture at them?

    (2) In face-to-face everyday life how many people do you know who would walk into a room of total strangers and immediately begin to proselytize and evangelize?

    (3) In face-to-face everyday life, how many people do you know who would walk into a room of total strangers and claim to have a relationship with a dead person, and to be experiencing that dead person's intervention into their lives, without someone in that room intervening and suggesting they ought to waste no time seeking professional help?

    (4) In face-to-face everyday life, how many people do you know who would walk into a room of total strangers and utter death threats by lecturing that a loving god will send all unbelievers to burn in eternal hell fires?

    (5) Why would any mature adult purporting to be joy-filled believer, who under an obligation to witness and become a winsome winner of souls for their god behave like that?

    Regardless of which belief system one ascribes to or in the event that they ascribe to no belief system at all, manifesting such behaviors in a room full of total strangers is disrespectful, insulting and inflammatory.

    On this forum we are a room full of strangers. Here when people enter this room of total strangers and show a lack of restraint by spouting scripture, proselytizing and evangelizing, we members have the right to challenge that behavior.

    This is what mature people are capable of demonstrating:
    Quiet confidence is unshakable faith in whatever your faith or belief system is and no urgent desire or need to share it.
    Discernment is knowing when, where and how to share what you believe with others and when, where and how not to.
    Restraint is the ability to choose not to indulge oneself by entering a room full of strangers and posting topics that are likely to create ill will.

    I believe that the minority of Christians who have behaved like this on this forum are living examples of why many people the world over have turned away from "freedom of religion" and toward "freedom from religion".

    "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Brennan Manning
    1. HalfCrazy
      Yeah, exactly. One time, I was in a Jeepney (mode of transportation for the public, think a bus) and then someone enters with papers in his hand, apparently letters made by their foundation talking about the poor and then asking for donation. He began saying a lot of words and I don't even understand what he was trying to say. it seems like he just memorized everything. Then he opens his eyes after his 'thing' and asks for money. I gave him like 2 dollars anyway. I was thinking about the needy! lol
  37. preaxz
    Because people don't want to be wrong, and people intend to defend themselves, as if the are right.
  38. Norski
    Nobody's brought this up, but the question, "Why does religion make people angry?" contains an assumption.

    It's sort of like the old "have you stopped beating your wife?" question, where any simple answer is is either an admission to wife-beating, or a denial of same.

    Oh, well: nothing new here.
    1. timethief
      @Norski
      Good point and you're right, there's nothing new here.
  39. Flyfishfanatic
    Religion doesn't make me angry, Religious people that try to jamb it down my throat do!
    There are many different ones out there, I have not found the one that is right for me as of yet, but the people that come to my door, or try to convert me on the street are the ones that ultimately push me even further away from said religion.
    Many people just want to make this very personal choice on their own, and don't need people harassing them about it.

    Just my personal views on the subject.

    Rick
  40. carsonfb
    I am not sure why some people get angry by others not following the same religion as they do. I am a Christian (from one of the more liberal denominations) but have off-line friends who are Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic, Wiccan, Bahá'í, and Muslim as well as from other Christian denominations.

    I am always happy to discuss others' beliefs with them and don't try to convert anyone else. What others believe is their own choice.
  41. Nomadic
    It's not religion it is intolerance, lack of empathy, compassion and insight. These traits appear in people who are not religious at all. And some of the most aggressive people I know are atheists - it's a mixed bag.
  42. RedVelvetMedia
    Because they are afraid.. Its a universal thing and who ever wants to be in control is the issue.. We don't seem to understand that the one we need to believe in is our selves and God as we know him or her...
  43. JaydenVasara
    b/c people push their ideas onto other people. which isn't the point. i have a relationship, not a religion. and no matter what i think, i don't push that idea onto other people. cuz when people do that to me, i get really really mad.
  44. hanoia
    well maybe because most people consider their religion as the way they live their life, criticize it and you criticize their life as well. It's a sensitive topic for most people.
  45. morgantj
    People are intrinsically selfish.
    1. timethief
      @morgantj
      off-topic
      Indeed. Sometimes I wonder that if we weren't selfish then would we have survived as a species? People and animals will cooperate only if they as individuals are given reasons to do so.

      Evolutionary biology has been transformed by the "selfish gene" notion, popularized by Richard Dawkins, of Oxford University, which essentially asserts that animals, including man, act altruistically only when it brings some benefit to copies of their own genes. This happens under two circumstances: when the altruist and the beneficiary are close relatives, such as bees in a hive, and when the altruist is in a position to have the favor returned at a later date. This new view holds that there simply are no cases of cooperation in the animal kingdom except these.

      Adaptation and Natural Selection (1966), by George Williams, a professor of biological sciences at the State University of New York at Stony Brook. Williams's message was that evolution pits individuals against each other far more than it pits species or groups against each other.
    2. sunnyberra
      ooo, timethief, interesting point Selfishness goes a long way to ensure that an individual can live to pass on more of his/her genes (cannot escape evolutionary theory ).
      But, I think one can make the argument that our 'survival instinct'-that immediate physiological response to adversive stimuli--is an unconscious reaction, and selfishness, in itself, denotes a certain personal awareness of the actions an individual undertakes. At least in my opinion.
      And, see, this is the kind of incoherency I spout when I'm overdue for sleep
    3. timethief
      @sunnyberra
      I'd like to discuss this with you and morgantj and others sometime but we are off-topic in this thread so I won't continue.
    4. morgantj
      That is at the heart of it. We have an instinct for survival, and from that arises the fist line of selfishness which is needed to serve this instinct for self preservation.

      These days I ponder on to what we owe our instinct for survival to? Evolution? How can we justify even staying alive? To replicate for the purpose of the survival of the species? In which more people will attempt to justify staying alive, for what? to replicate again? But why? Why the need? If life were to cease, then so what. this may sound fatalist, but all the justifications for these things are subjective, and really valueless. To ask why is to suggest that there is an objective purpose, which there is not. Purpose and value are only placed if we exist, if we don’t exist, then again, so what. Some will say, just enjoy the ride. But why must I? Because I have no other choice other then to suffer or die? And if I choose or am determined to suffer and/or die, How can one justify that happiness is better or above these two options?
    5. timethief
      @morgantj
      I've been thinking along exactly along those same lines and jotting notes in my personal blog that reflect what you have just said. OMG! I'm being tempted to rattle on and on and on ...

      I missed you and even though I pissed you off a lot because I'm self contradictory and hypocritical I'm glad to see your avatar again.
  46. jacqueroxx
    That's a good question...
    It's kind of funny too, because as far as I know all religions advocate peace, kindness, love, etc, yet they end up causing or leading to wars and killings..
    1. timethief
      @jacqueroxx
      (1) For the record humans created religions, belief systems, gods and and wars.
      (2) Ideas, theories, religions and beliefs don't kill people - other humans do.
      (3) Not all ideas, theories, religions and belief systems have caused wars.
    2. jacqueroxx
      yeah, I know that. But the major religions have. And not just wars, any kind of violence.
    3. timethief
      Do we want to move onto to discussing paternalism and territoriality,
      and peel the onion now? It will be smelly and it will definitely make the eyes water.
      The major religions founded on paternalism are war-like.
    4. morgantj
      Guns don't kill people, people kill people. People created guns. Now replace the word "guns" with "religion."
    5. jacqueroxx
      I'm not bashing religion or anything. I'm just saying that religion has fueled violence. Unstable people like to take religion and use it as their excuse to kill. As for paternalism and territoriality, I dont even know what that is so I would like to know if you dont mind explaining
    6. timethief
      @morgantj
      I agree and request that it be recognized that religions founded on paternalism are war-like. It was not women and who created these combative religions. Women tend to be cooperators. The forerunners of these religions that attempt to rationalize and justify territorial violence and killing (might is right) were Goddess based (nature based) religions. They were replaced with paternalistic religions, wherein women and children became mere chattels to be bought, sold, and given away, or taken in wars.

      To give everything for one’s country is to worship one’s country. In other words for those who take this position nationalism becomes religion and patriotism turns into idolatry, which is neither moral nor rational.

      Edit: The reason I'm editing so much is that my vision is really bad. I do want to discuss but I must stop now. The eye strain is just too much.
    7. jacqueroxx
      ok, im just trying to understand...are you saying that religions created by women are better or less violent?
    8. morgantj
      jacqueroxx, if you were bashing religion, I would understand. Because you are right, people create religions, and then claim the religion actually is ruled by a higher authority, whether it be a God or nature, or something else awe-inspiring beyond the fallacies of man. (There are religions that are exceptions to this) So now if join and now belong to this religion that is said to originate from a so-called higher authority. A member uses this appeal to authority to justify their actions, whether these actions be ill or not. They are even granted special privileges by their country if the belong to a particular religion, etc...

      It's a cop out, a cover up.

      Not all religions fall into what I have described, but the ones we have a distaste for often do. Religion doesn't have to be this way, but many of them are.

      The religions that take a more naturalistic\realistic approach I have far less distaste for. Many of which are eastern based. Taoism, Zen Buddhism, etc... While they may not be perfect, they sure beat the others.
  47. timethief
    nerts! wrong place
  48. dune
    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

    The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. - Abu’l Ala al Ma’arri

    Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going?
    1. timethief
      @dune
      Excellent points but I must go now.
    2. morgantj
      nice quotes dune.
  49. davedol
    Religion is all speculation. Nothing is proven. To argue religion is not much different then the old Victorian era question…how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? There were actually serious questions about that topic at the time. Dogma and theology are fine, and I support anyone following their muse. As long as it is your OWN muse and you don’t demand another follow it too. That is not the situation. It is astounding that in many nations, law is governed by religion. Thank goodness for the idea of separation of church and state. I completely support anyone following his or her muse without interference. But utterly oppose anyone inflicting his or her muse on others. What gets people angry about religion is when people imagine their own beliefs are so terribly important, that everybody has to subscribe to them. Blah phooey on that!
  50. dune
    BTW, man created God in his own image......not the other way around. On the first day, man created God.

    Some people don't believe this because they can't handle the truth.

    A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. - David Stevens
    1. morgantj
      “In the beginning there was nothing. God said, ‘Let there be light!’ And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better.” - Ellen DeGeneres
  51. panjang
    religion don't make people angry but people make people angry,There are no people in animal community but there are so many animal in people community.
    1. preaxz
      the fact is .. human is belong to the animal kingdom
  52. AlexGreat
    Religion is a human creation and humans are not perfect. That's why they quarrel. True faith can only be in personal relationship with God. That can only lead to understanding.
    Simply said when we have people quarreling God is not there.
  53. jana2009
    why you angry from my comment ??
  54. catherineneal
    I don't think its the belief but the way that we talk to each other. Everyone always uses your or you. Instead of stating that we don't believe in that. People take things personally when they shouldn't.

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