Blog Catalog Discussion: Why does religion make people angry?

catherineneal on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

catherineneal — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:42:06 -0600

I don't think its the belief but the way that we talk to each other. Everyone always uses your or you. Instead of stating that we don't believe in that. People take things personally when they shouldn't.

jana2009 on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jana2009 — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:53:10 -0600

why you angry from my comment ?? :(

jana2009 on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jana2009 — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:25:41 -0600

read it please
http://hanawardah.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post.html

AlexGreat on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

AlexGreat — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:16:22 -0600

Religion is a human creation and humans are not perfect. That's why they quarrel. True faith can only be in personal relationship with God. That can only lead to understanding.
Simply said when we have people quarreling God is not there.

preaxz on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

preaxz — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:27:48 -0600

the fact is .. human is belong to the animal kingdom

panjang on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

panjang — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:14:48 -0600

religion don't make people angry but people make people angry,There are no people in animal community but there are so many animal in people community.

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:58:59 -0600

“In the beginning there was nothing. God said, ‘Let there be light!’ And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better.” - Ellen DeGeneres

dune on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

dune — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:06:25 -0600

BTW, man created God in his own image......not the other way around. On the first day, man created God.

Some people don't believe this because they can't handle the truth.

A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. - David Stevens

davedol on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

davedol — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:58:49 -0600

Religion is all speculation. Nothing is proven. To argue religion is not much different then the old Victorian era question…how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? There were actually serious questions about that topic at the time. Dogma and theology are fine, and I support anyone following their muse. As long as it is your OWN muse and you don’t demand another follow it too. That is not the situation. It is astounding that in many nations, law is governed by religion. Thank goodness for the idea of separation of church and state. I completely support anyone following his or her muse without interference. But utterly oppose anyone inflicting his or her muse on others. What gets people angry about religion is when people imagine their own beliefs are so terribly important, that everybody has to subscribe to them. Blah phooey on that!

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:57:37 -0600

nice quotes dune.

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:58:38 -0600

jacqueroxx, if you were bashing religion, I would understand. Because you are right, people create religions, and then claim the religion actually is ruled by a higher authority, whether it be a God or nature, or something else awe-inspiring beyond the fallacies of man. (There are religions that are exceptions to this) So now if join and now belong to this religion that is said to originate from a so-called higher authority. A member uses this appeal to authority to justify their actions, whether these actions be ill or not. They are even granted special privileges by their country if the belong to a particular religion, etc...

It's a cop out, a cover up.

Not all religions fall into what I have described, but the ones we have a distaste for often do. Religion doesn't have to be this way, but many of them are.

The religions that take a more naturalisticrealistic approach I have far less distaste for. Many of which are eastern based. Taoism, Zen Buddhism, etc... While they may not be perfect, they sure beat the others.

jacqueroxx on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jacqueroxx — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:41:53 -0600

ok, im just trying to understand...are you saying that religions created by women are better or less violent?

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:41:53 -0600

@dune
Excellent points but I must go now.

dune on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

dune — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:40:46 -0600

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. - Abu’l Ala al Ma’arri

Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going?

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:41:11 -0600

@morgantj
I agree and request that it be recognized that religions founded on paternalism are war-like. It was not women and who created these combative religions. Women tend to be cooperators. The forerunners of these religions that attempt to rationalize and justify territorial violence and killing (might is right) were Goddess based (nature based) religions. They were replaced with paternalistic religions, wherein women and children became mere chattels to be bought, sold, and given away, or taken in wars.

To give everything for one’s country is to worship one’s country. In other words for those who take this position nationalism becomes religion and patriotism turns into idolatry, which is neither moral nor rational.

Edit: The reason I'm editing so much is that my vision is really bad. I do want to discuss but I must stop now. The eye strain is just too much. :(

jacqueroxx on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jacqueroxx — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:30:23 -0600

I'm not bashing religion or anything. I'm just saying that religion has fueled violence. Unstable people like to take religion and use it as their excuse to kill. As for paternalism and territoriality, I dont even know what that is so I would like to know if you dont mind explaining

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:28:35 -0600

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. People created guns. Now replace the word "guns" with "religion."

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:28:39 -0600

Do we want to move onto to discussing paternalism and territoriality,
and peel the onion now? It will be smelly and it will definitely make the eyes water.
The major religions founded on paternalism are war-like.

jacqueroxx on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jacqueroxx — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:26:02 -0600

yeah, I know that. But the major religions have. And not just wars, any kind of violence.

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:28:58 -0600

@jacqueroxx
(1) For the record humans created religions, belief systems, gods and and wars.
(2) Ideas, theories, religions and beliefs don't kill people - other humans do.
(3) Not all ideas, theories, religions and belief systems have caused wars.

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:29:10 -0600

nerts! wrong place

jacqueroxx on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

jacqueroxx — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:19:36 -0600

That's a good question...
It's kind of funny too, because as far as I know all religions advocate peace, kindness, love, etc, yet they end up causing or leading to wars and killings..

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:19:53 -0600

@morgantj
I've been thinking along exactly along those same lines and jotting notes in my personal blog that reflect what you have just said. OMG! I'm being tempted to rattle on and on and on ...

I missed you and even though I pissed you off a lot because I'm self contradictory and hypocritical I'm glad to see your avatar again.

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:20:49 -0600

That is at the heart of it. We have an instinct for survival, and from that arises the fist line of selfishness which is needed to serve this instinct for self preservation.

These days I ponder on to what we owe our instinct for survival to? Evolution? How can we justify even staying alive? To replicate for the purpose of the survival of the species? In which more people will attempt to justify staying alive, for what? to replicate again? But why? Why the need? If life were to cease, then so what. this may sound fatalist, but all the justifications for these things are subjective, and really valueless. To ask why is to suggest that there is an objective purpose, which there is not. Purpose and value are only placed if we exist, if we don’t exist, then again, so what. Some will say, just enjoy the ride. But why must I? Because I have no other choice other then to suffer or die? And if I choose or am determined to suffer and/or die, How can one justify that happiness is better or above these two options?

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:15:50 -0600

@sunnyberra
I'd like to discuss this with you and morgantj and others sometime but we are off-topic in this thread so I won't continue.

sunnyberra on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

sunnyberra — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:12:38 -0600

ooo, timethief, interesting point :) Selfishness goes a long way to ensure that an individual can live to pass on more of his/her genes (cannot escape evolutionary theory :( ).
But, I think one can make the argument that our 'survival instinct'-that immediate physiological response to adversive stimuli--is an unconscious reaction, and selfishness, in itself, denotes a certain personal awareness of the actions an individual undertakes. At least in my opinion.
And, see, this is the kind of incoherency I spout when I'm overdue for sleep :)

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:14:01 -0600

@morgantj
off-topic
Indeed. Sometimes I wonder that if we weren't selfish then would we have survived as a species? People and animals will cooperate only if they as individuals are given reasons to do so.

Evolutionary biology has been transformed by the "selfish gene" notion, popularized by Richard Dawkins, of Oxford University, which essentially asserts that animals, including man, act altruistically only when it brings some benefit to copies of their own genes. This happens under two circumstances: when the altruist and the beneficiary are close relatives, such as bees in a hive, and when the altruist is in a position to have the favor returned at a later date. This new view holds that there simply are no cases of cooperation in the animal kingdom except these.

Adaptation and Natural Selection (1966), by George Williams, a professor of biological sciences at the State University of New York at Stony Brook. Williams's message was that evolution pits individuals against each other far more than it pits species or groups against each other.

HalfCrazy on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

HalfCrazy — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:59:43 -0600

Yeah, exactly. One time, I was in a Jeepney (mode of transportation for the public, think a bus) and then someone enters with papers in his hand, apparently letters made by their foundation talking about the poor and then asking for donation. He began saying a lot of words and I don't even understand what he was trying to say. it seems like he just memorized everything. Then he opens his eyes after his 'thing' and asks for money. I gave him like 2 dollars anyway. I was thinking about the needy! lol

morgantj on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

morgantj — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:59:28 -0600

People are intrinsically selfish.

hanoia on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

hanoia — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:50:16 -0600

well maybe because most people consider their religion as the way they live their life, criticize it and you criticize their life as well. It's a sensitive topic for most people.

JaydenVasara on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

JaydenVasara — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:39:17 -0600

b/c people push their ideas onto other people. which isn't the point. i have a relationship, not a religion. and no matter what i think, i don't push that idea onto other people. cuz when people do that to me, i get really really mad.

RedVelvetMedia on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

RedVelvetMedia — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:44:18 -0600

Because they are afraid.. Its a universal thing and who ever wants to be in control is the issue.. We don't seem to understand that the one we need to believe in is our selves and God as we know him or her...

Nomadic on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

Nomadic — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:30:50 -0600

It's not religion it is intolerance, lack of empathy, compassion and insight. These traits appear in people who are not religious at all. And some of the most aggressive people I know are atheists - it's a mixed bag.

carsonfb on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

carsonfb — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:26:07 -0600

I am not sure why some people get angry by others not following the same religion as they do. I am a Christian (from one of the more liberal denominations) but have off-line friends who are Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic, Wiccan, Bahá'í, and Muslim as well as from other Christian denominations.

I am always happy to discuss others' beliefs with them and don't try to convert anyone else. What others believe is their own choice.

Flyfishfanatic on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

Flyfishfanatic — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:01:56 -0600

Religion doesn't make me angry, Religious people that try to jamb it down my throat do!
There are many different ones out there, I have not found the one that is right for me as of yet, but the people that come to my door, or try to convert me on the street are the ones that ultimately push me even further away from said religion.
Many people just want to make this very personal choice on their own, and don't need people harassing them about it.

Just my personal views on the subject.

Rick

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:56:16 -0600

@Norski
Good point and you're right, there's nothing new here.

Norski on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

Norski — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:53:13 -0600

Nobody's brought this up, but the question, "Why does religion make people angry?" contains an assumption.

It's sort of like the old "have you stopped beating your wife?" question, where any simple answer is is either an admission to wife-beating, or a denial of same.

Oh, well: nothing new here.

timethief on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

timethief — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:48:10 -0600

@halfcrazy
I agree with you. IMO in an online community where diversity prevails like this one, we are all best served by not posting religious stuff to the General Discussion forum. There are 13 Christian groups at BC and IMO that's where religious topics ought to be posted http://www.blogcatalog.com/groups/tag/Christian

Those of other religions are also free to create their own groups as well http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/bc-groups-find-one-start-one

preaxz on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

preaxz — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:13:23 -0600

Because people don't want to be wrong, and people intend to defend themselves, as if the are right.

ArsenicCookies on 'Why does religion make people angry?'

ArsenicCookies — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:02:16 -0600

I agree 100%