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Why don’t we stop trading links and actually earn them?
Posted by urikalish • 7/30/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Why don’t we stop trading links and actually earn them?
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'Cause that would actually take effort. -
It seems to me that despite the number of threads proposing things like link exchanges, very few people are actually exchanging links. It seems that it's usually relatively new people or those who don't usually participate in the forums and don't know anything about SEO who are eager to trade links, and the takers are usually few.-
I'm new. I just got here a couple of days ago and am sort of feeling my way around in the dark. I have a domain and probably should have stayed at wordpress.com for more than a few weeks cause I am way in over my head. But i did see the post about trading links and honestly I was not interested. It seems to me that if I am actually going to enjoy blogging I ought to do it the old fashioned way. Earn it! as that crusty old curmudgeon used to say. I am trying to leave the rat race behind not join another one. So thanks for the opportunity to respond. This seems like a nice place. David
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Well, I don't trade links unless I truly like what I'm reading. I think this is a great forum where you can see other great work. Some people don't get exposed all that much--and it's a shame because there are such great writers out there.-
amen to that, deb
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Right, what a mindless bullshit. On Squidoo I read today that they warned anyone to swap links, ratings and all that. They say they might change the ranking algorithm any moment so that all those involved in stupid exchange would loose their present rank and go down. -
WARNING!
Link trading is a known shortcut to try and artificially increase your site’s rank.
The Google Example:
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Although the exact Google page ranking methods are kept secret, there are many hints one can get by reading their application for patents. On Google, it seems all the out going links from your page and the incoming links to your page from other sites are being monitored. Google checks the quality of the sites that links to your page, the rate of the added links etc. If one of these parameters goes beyond what Google defines as a natural site growth, your Google rank will drop radically.
If BlogCatalog’s developers use similar methods for ranking (they should) – excessive link trading with everybody can actually harm you. -
Link exchange threads get deleted by the staff.
Edit: Maybe they should have more moderators here. People post 24/7 and they are all from USA, right?-
They might all be in Texas, but have you noticed the times of some of their posts? I don't think the clock means much to some of them---nor to many others here. -
Please report link requests when you see them.
I think what's happening with digg 4 digg, visit 4 visit type exchanges is that certain members request them numerous times per day.
It seems somewhat reasonable that one discussion post every now and again requesting a digg for a particular blog post makes sense, however when someone requests a digg or v4v day after day, or multiple times a day, we will start to remove them. It is pretty easy to tell who is doing this now with the new "More Discussions from this user" feature.
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Well why would people add links to their page that they're not interested in? If they have links that they are genuinely interested in, isn't that their right? Or is it the 'trade off' for exposure that's being abused? And if so, wouldn't their page look too messy- full of links and ads? I don't think Google really counts that as a "good site" and just disregards it, due to the spam look it gives off. Maybe I'm just clueless. I don't understand the whole "link exchange" that well apparently.
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I don't exchange links, though at least one person has linked to me who I put on my website. The reason I put his page there? It was a history blog and it covered an area that I have not seen covered elsewhere. So why not? I was pleasantly surprised when he later gave me a shout-out on his blog, and I certainly didn't expect it. Some other people have mentioned me in a post, but I'm assuming that they don't expect a place on my history web sites. Links to them wouldn't make much sense. So I do my thing and try not to get too annoyed by the I'll-scratch-yours-if-you-scratch-mine threads here.
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Well, often what you described, Dpasquella, is precisely what you see. Indiscriminate linking, lots of links not necessarily driven by any reason other than trading, and not by genre of site. So no, they're not using the links as useful resources for their readers-- but unforunately the link trading isn't about providing useful links to readers. It's about mass, one-time traffic.
It can't be a very effective marketing tool. It's basically throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. -
@ThriftShopRomantic: I like that analogy.
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same old story censorship. Dont you consider that there is people that are not interest in your conversation and they want to trade links. Let them do it. This is a community en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community
Other like to talk about history, sex, friendship, politics. What is wrong with trade links. they are not going to harm you if you dont trade. For god sake!-
Censorship?
Saying that something may be a bad idea is censorship?
Saying, "I don't do this" is censorship?
Wow. I feel like I'm back in the student union. -
If I have a notebook that I carry around in my backpack and offer to let my friends write in it, that doesn't mean I can't erase if you draw something obscene in it.
BlogCatalog is a community made for people who blog. We talk about blogging, blogs, and blog-related things. We also talk about random things sometimes, and that's okay, if it helps build community. But if you post things that don't contribute to the community, BlogCatalog has every right to delete those posts.
This isn't your board. You're not paying for the hosting. They have a right to do what they want with this space. So please, stop blathering on about censorship. BlogCatalog has a right to moderate their space as they see fit, and most of the time I think they do a fine job. If you disagree, feel free to say so. Once, maybe twice. After that, accept it or move on. -
Talking about the practice of trading links is not censorship. We're just talking about what we do and don't do. Lighten up a little.
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Dang. ghostytwofish got there first, with "'Cause that would actually take effort."
I have traded links: very carefully, with sites that have topics very similar to mine. There's evidence that they've helped boost traffic: nothing spectacular, but worth the effort.
No links on my blogs, yet: it's barely a month since I started. Eventually, when I know my way around, and find suitable partners, I hope to have meaningful reciprocal links. -
I think trading links is earning them. It means we did our research. How do we shamelessly promote our blog otherwise?-
I'm not sure that this has been defined in this discussion.
I believe that what's needed is a distinction between trading links between pages that have little or no common interest for a reader, and trading links between pages that do share common reader interests.
For example, a blog on outdoor grilling would probably not benefit from trading links with a blog on needlepoint.
On the other hand, a blog on outdoor grilling and another on decks and patios might reasonably trade links.
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What concern is it of yours how someone chooses to promote their work? Do you tell the businessman not to hand out his card to every soul he passes by? Do you tell the house cleaner not to hang her placards on the bulletin board at the grocery?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with link exchanges. Not in a business sense nor in a moral sense.-
You make a valid point. I think, though, that bloggers would like to know how others do these things, so both your attitude and mine have their place here.
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Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t say links are bad!
I’m saying that by reading some patent application forms, it seems like Google (and probably all modern ranking mechanisms), clearly monitor the quality, quantity, relevancy and rate of your incoming and out going links. There are several secret thresholds hidden somewhere deep behind Google’s firewall; if you cross them, even unintentionally, you will not get Google search related traffic for months. Be careful with your links, that's all.-
Good heavens! You're suggesting that relevancy counts?!
Good for you.
It's been interesting, following this discussion.
Oops. I've probably committed censorship. -
Point being that if someone chooses to use link exchanges to generate traffic and don't have any particular care as to the quality of that traffic they have that right. They are in fact earning those link exchanges by whatever effort is necessary. Be that as simple as putting their name on a link farm, or personally contacting site owners, or posting the request on forums.
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@urikalish: I tried making a similar point several weeks ago and the message didn't go over well. Trying to say that all this mutual linking might not lead to the desired result from Google seems a little like trying to tell people that the odds are not in their favor to win the lottery. Google keeps things vague enough that people can hope. And these people even see some results, so who knows? And the blogging/SEO/marketing blog business is growing faster than any dissent I've registered here. But I digress.
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Stoneman - You're assuming the desired result is a better ranking from google. Why can't it be simply to generate more traffic in the short-term?
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stoneman, interesting analogy: lottery ticket / link.
As for digression, that's not all bad: people can run into (or fall into) the most amazing things while digressing. -
Short-term gain, long-term loss: interesting strategy.
Could be effective for a flash-in-the-pan blog, assuming huge traffic generation and effective advertising or other monetizing.
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@bsd13: Interesting point. But how useful will that traffic be if it's just random? Well, I suppose if you're talking a huge volume, then 1 in 100 would still be good odds. But what happens once you land in what I've heard people call "Google hell"? Don't the medium and long terms matter a little?
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i dont agree. if you have a good blog with good content, nothing can harm you. a lot of bad blog link direct to Engadget or Boing Boing.
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Could you please explain what your point is with "a lot of bad blog link direct to Engadget or Boing Boing"? I don't understand.
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Stoneman - Not everyone has a blog for purpose of long term effects. Some people simply want a short, heavy burst of traffic for whatever reason. You can't assume that everyone with a blog (or other website) is in it for the long haul with each and everyone of their sites.
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@bsd13: Another interesting point. So what are the goals of the short-term blogger? Or what variety of goals have you run into?
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It seems like there are three or four parallel discussions going on here. A few facts:
-A private entity can create whatever limitations it wants, within some very narrow legal limitations. Free speech, censorship, etc. are concepts that come into play when governmental entities are involved.
-Link exchanges are of little if any benefit. None of the speculation about how Google receives them in this thread is news, or necessary. Google representatives have long stated directly that they don't give much--if any--value to recipricol links.
-Irrelevant links don't carry nearly so much weight as relevant ones. Posting on a message board asking for people who want to exchange links, contrary to what JPearce suggests here, demonstrates precisely that the poster HASN'T done his homework, since ten minutes of research will show that a recipricol link from an irrelevant source is virtually worthless.
-The issue with link exchange threads and other similar threads isn't simply that some people might not be interested--it's that it's a bad practice that's contrary to the purposes of this community and potentially damaging to new bloggers joining these forums who don't know accepted protocol and presume that those posting here know what they're doing.-
Thanks for the reality check.
Facts are good, but they tend to be hard, and often have sharp corners. I think that may be why they're not as popular as they could be. It's too easy to get hurt, running into them. -
Norski, I'm printing this out and taping it to my monitor.
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Not the point. The OP insinuated that people are not "earning" their links by participating in link exchanges. The quality, Google's opinion of them, or any other circumstance means pretty much nothing.
As to the idea that a link exchange is outside the purview or "purpose" of this community I find that to be absurd. If that were true they wouldn't have a forum called "Shameless blog promotion" dedicated to things like link exchanges, digg/stumble requests, and all the rest of it. -
Thanks!
It's a paraphrase from one of the late Dorothy Sayers' Peter Wimsy mystery stories. -
Norski, can I quote you about facts on my tumblelog? And can I use your real name?
Oops. I see now you've given the source. Oh well. If you find the original and want to pass it along, I'd much appreciate it. (Use my shoutbox or email. -
@Tiffany (aka MadameX): I love the way you separate out different threads of a debate. You have a way of taking the wind out of some of our sails. And yet I'll bet things will get mixed together again by tonight. Still, keep it up. I appreciate the voice of reason.
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Thank you. I feel much better. When my first impression of a place is a link exchange I wonder why I joined. Now that I have dived into this discussion I feel much better and am happy to be here. And learn.
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and i dont really see that many link excange over her. More fave, stumble, digg me digg you. i personally dont excange links for all the reason you mentioned above. After all anybody can link to us without asking....
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Because they get deleted.
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Links are good for readership. As a reader I want to see other sites with similar content. Just last week I went to a tech blog that was promoting thier friends mom blog. Where is the harm in that?
If link exchanges are bad, wouldn't being paid to write phony blurbs about other bloggers be unethical. Diggs? Stumbles? Techfavs?
Blogging is great because you can see how creative people can be. Links exchange is so old hat, I'm not sure why some are irked by blog tradition.
The point is you don't have to participate if you don't want to. So what's the big deal?
Complain to blogcat and have them remove "shameless blog promotion" which is what this entire site is based around anyway.
Lets all be ethical an not use this service because we should be getting traffic the old fashioned way.-
I can't speak for anyone else, but from my perspective I don't much care if people want to do useless and possibly harmful stuff on their own blogs. What bothers me is the "it will work wonders!" sorts of promises that might suck in new bloggers who expect some level of expertise among more experienced bloggers and don't know that they're being sucked into something that will not help them and may hurt their credibility and their rankings in the long run.
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The issue is kind of moot, anyway, because our fearless administrators have said that link exchange threads are not allowed--so there really isn't any open issue to discuss.
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@ Tiffany: Exactly. No dissent here would just lead to confusion for those who are willing to learn. You'll notice that no one on your side of the fence is telling the other side to shut up. But I've had the other side tell me to shut up more than once. Now what does "discussion" mean again?
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I thought links for links weren't allowed, but I also thought I saw some of that creeping in recently. I guess it's all in the wording.
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that part i must have missed. link exchange threads are not allowed ? any reason from them ? I repeat i dont excange link but im curios to know why is not allowed. It would be nicer to make a page where they explain to novice the danger of link. you get more result by explaining things
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I don't recall hearing a statement about the reasoning. Maybe one of them will weigh in here.
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I think identikit has a great idea about having some sort of resource page for new bloggers. He might win $25,000. -
and there is nothing about this in the TOS
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That's where the they-can-delete-anything-they-want-for-any-reason clause kicks in.
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Jubiiiiiiii . Faved Stumbled Dugg and i put a link on my page
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they are really showing the muscle lately.
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and they banned one person for expressing her opinion , strongly, but just her point of view.
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I'm sure there was much more to it than that. But according to her own words on Bumpzee, she's waiting for an apology from BC, so go figure. Have you noticed how it's become possible to have a civil discourse here without tears and name-calling? That was not possible for a while there.
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good to know that link exchange threads are not allowed. but i think it should be in the TOS. what about fave stumble digg excange ? Anybody know anything??
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They seem to be okay. They've been making merry and multiplying around here. It would be interesting to know what the difference is from BC's point of view.
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Wow this is a GREAT discussion, for a second there I thought some people were going to get into a real rumble but everyone kept a cool head and made some VERY AWESOME points.
Tony and I were just discussing many of these issues 30 minutes ago. We are going to be addressing the link exchanges and promotion threads a little differently very soon and hopefully that works better.
Personally I think we would rather not limit any discussions but we also don't want to have our entire discussions bored spammed out with only self promotion. We are looking for ways to find the balance, keep the ideas coming we are VERY interested in your feedback.-
And thanks, guys. I know it's not easy to try to give everyone a good strong voice here, and still keep a happy balance when everyone has such varied goals and visions of blogging.
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I agree. It's nice to have a place where you can have courteous conversation. There is so much polarization out there. I have stopped reading political blogs. You can waste your life with that stuff.
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i noticed. she was left alone against many.
you know when you put an animal in the corner what can happen-
Now, now. I tried very hard to get along. Again, and again, and again. But this ain't about her or me or anyone else. We're talking link trading.
If I could understand Italian, maybe I'd like what you have to offer. Maybe if my wife ever has a spare minute.
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I guess people have their own method of advertising their blog and what not. Traffic seems to be of most importance, but the thing is, what kind of traffic are you generating.
I once wrote a blog----in fact last year about a girl who got raped in my backyard---my neighbors had a huge party.
Here's the story if you want to look at it:
dtrant.blogspot.com/2006/07/me-nosey-neighbor.html
But-----through TRAFFIC------from Google, someone typed in the search words, "I want to see a woman get raped". I quickly responded today on my blog on that post, telling him/her that they got the WRONG blog.
So, this potential rapist or someone who wanted to see such a horrible thing, got me when he/she entered those keywords.
NOT the traffic I wanted.
Numbers mean nothing sometimes. It's quality...not quantity.-
I'm not sure how you could ever avoid that kind of visitor. Google searches words and seems to have no idea about the syntax that links those words together into sentences. Can a machine even be taught that?
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sure. i dont really know what it was about and how started.
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Just get rid of the shameless promotion category.-
Oh no. We need that! You use it too, right?
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Now that's a thought.-
Stoneman, yep I use it too, but I could live without it. My regulars know where I am.
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I THINK, and I could be inadvertently misrepresenting this, but that the Shameless Blog Promotion area might have originally been intended as a way of people saying, "Hey, I'm new, here's my site." Or "Hey, I just wrote this new blog about fill-in-the-blank". As a bit of an announcement, really.
But I suspect it sort of evolved naturally to include more trading than may have been originally expected.
Again, just a guess here.-
Well, Jen (right?), that is how I use the shameless part. Sometimes something gets into me and I want to say, "read this post!' And since my wife won't, I come here. (Okay, sometimes she will read my posts, but she's got a lot on her plate right now.)
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Well, it's understandable-- and I think a few people are using Shameless Blog Promotion in the way you describe. (Well, not trying to compensate for your wife's currently busy schedule, but... :-) ) It's a group of bloggers with things to say-- naturally people are going to want to self-promote.
I think it's just a matter of figuing out that balance, so it's not too overwhelming for the various groups.
--Jenn
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Is link exchange bad because web companies who happen to sell keywords for advertising say its bad.
There is a category for shameless blog promotion and on the contrary there are no link exchanges allowed.
Wouldn't that be confusing to some?
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In the end it will be the discretion of the blog owner to add a link or not. Obviously, to be successful we will need to earn links per the first post. Further it is important to get links from sites that contain relevant content to yours.-
I agree, I can see how a digg, or highlighting a new post, even asking for comments on your blog could benefit you although I do wonder how much value a link exchange for blogs with different subjects really is.
At the moment the value might be relatively small but if we had 100 people in here everyday competing for link exchanges the value of each exchange would continue to plummit.
In the end the discussion becomes which option is MORE valuable to the community as a whole. To eliminate link exchanges altogether or to open them up completely and hope it doesn't get out of hand and lose its value completely.
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Blog catalog as a site needs to think about it's credibility.
For outsiders this discussion forum can look very "trashy" at times.-
I have heard that a couple of times but that goes back to the question again...
the balance between free speech and having a useful service. Unfortunately if left completely unmoderated I think the discussions would go downhill VERY quickly.
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I guess it just depends if the owners here want this to become a big joke.
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This is your website too guys, what would you do?
Maybe I should make a whole new thread for this...-
I'm waiting for that "See and Be Seen" section that SiteProPlus had brought up on another forum. That would relieve a lot of the tension here, I think.
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Are you talking about my checkbox idea? I am still harassing daniel for that. Although it may end up being a premium option
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as i already say a poll will give you some directions and then is up to you to find a balance
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How about only paying sponsors can start a new discussion?
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So only the rich can partake in the discussion? You want to turn this forum in to real life?
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Pay to gab? No thanks.
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It appears that some sort of a blogger starter guide can be useful.
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Urikalish, were you sitting in on our meeting earlier? You are creeping me out... don't be surprised if you see something like this coming soon.
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An excellent resource, a starting guide would be, for neophytes, and for not-so-neophytes who don't mind learning a little more.
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Such a starting guide could also net BC more traffic and members. How robust are your servers?
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not robust enough, click more ads. -- Just kidding.
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In answer to Nine, Blog Catalog uses Adsense. What could we do? Not much.
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like we are the senators ?? i like that
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I think that is a good idea. No offense owners of BlogCatalog, but you guys are getting rich off of your members! I think you should give some rights to the people who are making out your paycheck... mainly the sponsors
FYI... I'm not one, in case you're wondering
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They're getting rich? Maybe they're paying the bills, but I think they've probably got a ways to go to get rich.
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It's a crappy idea. There would be no reason for no-paying members to be on this site. It would die to competitors like mybloglog and bumbzee.
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Yea, I am 26 and still live with my mom. We are far from being rich. Hopefully some venture capitalist will come along and give us big bucks to do this stuff we love AND get paid for it!
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Decorator, I can't help but notice that at least some of our leaders here haven't quit their day jobs--and that they're working when the rest of the world sleeps. I don't think they're being served caviar on silver platters with the money they're...oh, wait. They're not GETTING any money from most of us, are they?
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Adsense i didnt see that. where?
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You're a premium member, you don't get ads.
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I'm not premium and I don't have ads..??
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Discussions dont have ads but the other pages like the search and stuff do. It pays to keep my 92 mazda truck running.
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sorry NINE I'm not getting them, but I do run a weird browser with weird ad-blocking.
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VersionTracker does the same thing for its paid subscribers. The concept makes sense.
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There is a Google ad right underneath Recent Readers...
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I think the idea of making the creation of discussions reserved for premium members is two fold. You're either gonna get a hell of a lot more members or the activity on the discussion boards is going to drop off.
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Jungl, so you're saying that BlogCatolog is popular only because of the Discussion Boards?
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I don't see how you can read that into anything he said.
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Not only, but I think the discussion is the main reason BC stands out from its competitors.
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I agree the discussions are a MAJOR part of BlogCatalog's success which is why a discussion like this is so important.
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I used to think so, Nine, but I've come to appreciate BC's idiosyncratic discussion format. It's even got to the point where I forget how other forums work. This way is more natural.
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I wasn't reading anything... I was simply asking a question
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They hope to get rich and may be well on the way don't let them kid you. That is well and good as it is apparently their job and their right. It's popular now because of the ability tor everyone to link bait and beg for links. If you took away all the threads which are of that genre you would have very little here. It is therefore doubtful they will take away the one things which make most of the people come here as competitive as this market is going to get in the future.
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That's a point I've seen Terence and a number of other people mention, but it needs to be said again. BC needs both types of user here.
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Whooo lets hope you are right... everyone chant with me... Ferrari... Ferrari...
Actually cooper is right, people come here to promote their blogs... That is the ENTIRE POINT of blogcatalog. Well now you have discussions and stuff but how did you find out about the discussions, probably because you came to promote your blog originally.
Its obvious that the promotions will stay, the question is... how can they be adapted to be useful while not overwhelming the entire discussions section.
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is there really a need to change anything at this point. i mean thing are going crazy? lot of spam? lots of complain from user ? or is just a panic from success ?? is really urgent to make change now??
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I don't think its a problem right now, but I think we can all see how it COULD get out of hand if the website continues to do well.
I think we are just coming up with solutions and ideas to be prepared in the future.
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I have to say I don't mind the threads promoting people's blogs, I just choose not to participate. It does seem there are still plenty of decent topics and discussion apart from the promotion bit.
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I think discussions for paying members only anywhere on BC is a joke. I doubt BC would ever consider it. It would stop BC dead in its tracks.
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okay.. we've all distinguished that my idea is total crap! I still think it's a good idea...lol Good luck in solving the problem =)
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Sorry for the harsh wording.
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No idea is crap, you have to look at things from EVERY angle to find the best solution.
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Okay, so "joke" was perhaps too strong. But how would this particular angle work? How would it solve the problem, whatever that might be?
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The way Blogcatalog is , is winning. if it was mine i wouldnt change it. You see people are trying to clone it. if i was you i would do an Italian, french and german version. is just unic concept.
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Now there's your $2500 Italian concept.
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not only italian 3 country x 2500 = 7500.
The income of BC wil be 4 times bigger -))
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Personally, I think this whole "trading links" stuff is up to the individual. I would rather know that those who have linked to my blog have done so because they like it. If somebody else just wants to trade links to get an 'artificial' ranking - it ultimately has no effect on me, so it's up to them. However, I personally can't see the point in this type of activity and I do find the countless "link exchange" requests on the discussion board rather tiresome.
On a more positive note, I have read through most of the comments above and have found many of them quite entertaining...
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As it stands I know you can view discussions for only one topic if wanted, what about being able to filter out discussions from other topics that you don't necessarily want to be involved in... such as blog promotion?
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Yea I brought this up a few days ago. I am trying to get Daniel to work on something like this, although it may end up being for the sponsored members
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I wish there were a way to separate the spam, "link to me", "trade links" stuff from other discussions. I am basically lazy and only like to quick pop over and look at the first few on the list - they are usually the spam ones. So maybe a whole separate area for that kind of thing.
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Thats probably what we will end up doing (in the short term), ask me again tomorrow once I meet with tony again
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Have you bought it? Or is it not for sale?
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i register it now
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Now that's what I call a vote of confidence in BC!
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I think trading links is a good thing at some level, I know I have reached out to other humor bloggers to do it. Just doing it blindly though is kind of pointless...
As far as the secondary discussion about promotion on BC, it is a fine line and I am excited to see what the changes will be.
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But "pointless" is your name!
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California to NY... I made it in one piece... Although my liver is destroyed and apparently my grad school didn't think I was coming which led to registration problems.
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i dont really know what to do with that. im sure it will be usefull in the future.
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I think BC is a very good site for Discussions and sharing information about our blogs and Blog resources. I think if someone wants to read your blog, they will without you having to ask. Blogs I read regular like once a day or a few times a week, they never asked for a link or invited me to read it. Their content kept me coming back and commenting. I really think alot of the Discussions here are spam, example: Digg me and I Digg u.. do u really wanna Digg it cause you like it, or because you want a Digg?.. Do u know how many Diggs you need before it's even on their front page?.....
Blogs that I have linked to in the past were Blogs I am still reading today.
The moral of this rant? "zawadi, just wanted to join in cause she felt left out" :-)
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hahaa. zawadi. =)
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Why stop at .it? Go for .jp, .cn, .nl, and .every other extention
Make blogcatalog go global. There are plenty of international folks here who could help with translating into their native tongue.
Right? or is that just another, um, bad idea? =)-
I think it's just a question of how big Identikit's bank account is. Or yours. Or whoever else wants to take advantage of BC's not paying attention. He's an Italian and blogs in Italian, so why not start there? Me? I don't have a dime to spare. I use Blogger.
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Heck. I don't want it. I was suggesting like a network of extensions owned and operated by BC. Then each section of the world could have their own BlogCatalog.. kinda like EBAY!
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Im not that greedy i also leave opportunity to others
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i show them that i belive in BC. If there was something similar in my own language i will be there. i think is interesting idea for BC. like some kind of franchising.
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No! “blindly fav me” is no good either!
A few years ago, the internet publishers were almost entirely official organizations like universities, newspapers etc.
Enter the user created content revolution.
The responsibility of creating/cataloging/labeling/linking, and other actions aimed at helping other people get to valuable/verified/interesting content, was transferred to us - the users. When we start a ‘blindly fav me and I’ll blindly fav you’ thread – we are abusing this new and important role that was granted to us. If we keep it up, the internet will become a giant pile of unusable nonsense, and people will be forced to go back to the traditional data providers.-
I was wondering yesterday about how people trying to archive the internet are going to deal with this phenomenon. Even virtual stuff has to sit somewhere and take up space.
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I think the blind stumble and digg issue is a double edged sword.
Blogger A- Has excellent content and is starting out blogging, basically they want to get as many eyeballs on their work as possible. Feeling that their content is strong, they ask for the digg or the stumble, even doing exchanges in order to get said digg or stumble.
Because of the extra boost using these services, people see their content, like it, book mark it, subscribe to it, continue to stumble on it or whatever. Blogger A continues to expand their reach and starts to create word of mouth and an audience.
Blogger B- Spam filled blog, not a great writer, good self promoter, they get stumbled or dugg or whatever by blogger A in order to get their blog read. People come across their blog, while some might like it the majority of people go to it once and discount it.
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The main problem is not the amount of crap - it's that it is crap, and the fact that people blindly favorite and link to it, isn't very helpful when I try to avoid this kind of crappy information.
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Even if people are blindly doing it in the long run the crap will sink while the quality stuff will rise.
As far as the linking goes I agree with you, I think what you link to puts your rep on the line with your blog. You can't just link to any old site.
I was more focused on the social bookmarking promotions on here, I think that they serve a purpose to an extent.
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Good discussion. I don't spend much time focusing on or reading about the generating traffic issue, however here's a suggestion for those who would like to increase connections with other bloggers who have related and excellent content.
Instead of just posting that you're looking for like-minded bloggers to trade links with, why not post on subjects that interest you and that you write about. Start a conversation rather than just linking to a post on your blog. That type of discussion is likely to attract compatible bloggers who can then check each other out if they wish.
Vera-
Ayuh.
(That's New Hampshire-speak for "yes.")
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You are SO preaching to the choir!
writingtrue.blogspot.com/2007/06/bloggin-for-nothin-and-clicks-are-free.htm...
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When the choir misbehaves, it can use some mild preachin'..
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You should get a reward for this making discussion.
Want me to stumble your.. errh wait. -
I joined the neighborhood of urikalish's blog. I hope he's not offended. Urikalish?
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I think I am somewhat dyslectic..
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"You should get a reward for this making discussion.
Want me to stumble your.. errh wait."
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In this new Web2.0 era, we the public, are the new publishers, librarians, editors and critics of the world’s biggest information source in human history. It is a great privilege granted to us and we need not abuse this responsibility. Don’t be foolish, sure I'm happy when people are linking to my blog, but only for the right reasons! I will never link to your blog if I don't think you fully deserve it, and I expect nothing less in return.
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What would the right reasons be? How do you judge whether a person deserves it or not? In my opinion, most people are trading links because they need/want to drive more traffic to their sites for commercial benefits. The funny thing is this... if the sites with traded links are of similar contents, it doesn't commercially benefit the parties involved as much as compared to trading links for sites with totally different contents. So, by only qualifying those with similar contents to what we have doesn't benefit both parties. Those who agree to link requests should be aware that complementing is better than competing =) -
I'm new here, and I'll admit I came to promote my blog(s), but not through link exchange. My blogs are new and don't have much content, yet, but that will soon change. I'm hoping that if someone links to me it's because they like it, and that's why I'll link to others. I came here in the hopes of making a few friends and to read blogs. This was the first discussion I've read, and a good one at that. I know I didn't give any input to the discussion, but as a newbie, I just wanted to voice why I am here. -
Link exchange can be great if you do it correctly. Read more about it here: omicra.com/build-links-to-your-site-
So...this is taken directly from the post you linked here:
"Exchanging links with websites is quite popular. However, there isn’t much benefits to your search engine position." -
Yea, I think Google doesn't pass much, if any PageRank for link exchange
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i actually agree with this guy to a certain extent. Everyone gets sucked into this. If you say you havn't been, you either don't care about your material or aren't telling the truth. Trading links is extremely addictive. I mean common all you do is put up someone elses link and raise your pagerank, it seems like no work. But people can spend hours doing this rather than actually writing quality posts. I've seen so many bloggers whose blogs where once great turn into a talking promotion for other blogs. These bloggers have lost their cause. It's sad because its so addictive, this has almost happened to me, i spent all my time looking to trade and not writing. That's over. I will only trade with blogs that i feel are in my category and will look good on intellimind (my site) otherwise i will no longer add links just for the sake of raising my pr. The real way to get loyal readers is to write quality material.
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I don't give much attention for link if it not placed in the story anyway...
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