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Why The Name Of God In Pornography?
Posted by thefiveelements • 5/03/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: beilief, evil, God, humanity, pornography, sexuality
Many, especially within the religious system condemn pornography as “Evil”. But when you watch pornography, the performers often call out “Oh my God” during their sexual acts. I have watched pornography & you’ll hear the word God in just about all of them. So why are these people calling out for God if pornography is evil? YOUR THOUGHTS
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cos they are doing the evil things, and the demon are trying to make you think what you are thinking now.
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@86john
Let's say for the sake of argument that you are NOT God's representative on Earth, and after you die, He's extremely irritated with you for taking His name in vain? Who, in that scenario, is the sinner?
As I've told you before, unless you're playing golf with Him on Thursdays, don't presume to speak for that which is utterly beyond you.
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Is watching pornography a part of the five elements philosophy? Please don't direct me to a link. A simple answer here would suffice.
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For whatever reason, I recall a line from Blackadder Goes Forth:
LORD FLASH HEART (Rik Mayall): "First rule is, always treat your kite (aeroplane) like you treat your woman."
GEORGE (Hugh Laurie): "Do you mean send her flowers and take her to meet your mother?"
LORD FLASH HEART: "No, I mean get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back!" -
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Reactionary Republicans. They do it to get a rise out of them...wait, is this the Kama Sutra thread?
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WOW! I though some readers would have fun with this thread. But it would be more purposeful if you read the question before you make a comment. “BUSTED”! “I agree FP”, “Busted for sure”! and so on. You bust someone whose hiding something. It is clearly stated in the question, “I have watched pornography”.
Before I embarked on The 5 Element’s journey, I had done many wrongs, and even came very close to taking someone’s life, which is the greatest sin of all. Everything about me as an individual is clearly revealed in The 5 Elements, the goods & the bad, because The 5 Elements harbors no secret.
Now to the question: Sexuality is a ritual of decency that should not be commercialized like pornography. However, violent movies & video games that are turning people (special children) into killing monsters, these glorified products are more harmful to humanity than pornography.
One with a clear consciousness would not see watching people making love (pornography) as harmful, or sinful while being silent about the insanity of watching people being violently killed in movies & video games, and those who are doing the killing are cheered. There are many things that are glorified by society, which are more harmful to humanity then what society has condemned.
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I've always wondered why GOD hates anything that's fun and natural - yet SATAN gives it free reign... God Sends you away if you enjoy life --- and is super strict with nothing but a promise of you might get it if you're good enough... But Satan says - welcome all and everyone... And if God is so forgiving, why isn't everyone doing whatever they want - and just at the last moment --- asking God to forgive them... And if Porno is so bad - why do so many people do it - and like it --- and WHY THE HECK NOT?
I mean - SERIOUSLY folks. Sex is how we ALL got here. Whether you're a Christian or a Jew...
And only Christians treat Sex as if it's an EVIL - WRONG thing.
I mean - come on. Give me a FREAKING BREAK.
It's OK to BEAT your woman - but she can't go out of the house without a veil --- WHY? So people can't see the bruises you put on her? Shame on you people too.
And who said mankind? Man is not kind. Man is EVIL. And not in that God "sense"... But in the fact that MAN will hurt others to get his own wants.
So bring on the freaking pornography - shout God if you want --- and enjoy the hell out of it.
*grin*-
Marriage? In what context? State sponsored unions? Or a coupling that pleases both families? Or a girl and boy who love eachother so much they ask God to make it last forever and for his blessing? What about when a husband dies and it's the brothers duty to bang the wife? Marriage was a totally different concept back then so I never understood that or pretty much anything else frowned upon in religion.
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God created marriage ... ha! ha! ha!
The universal practice of men owning their female relatives and buying, selling or giving them away with dowries to men of their choice is a righteous tradition, don't you know?
The stealing of females and particularity virgins from their families and tribes was a righteous tradition don't you know?
The acquisition of a wife who was among the spoils of was was a righteous tradition, don't you know?
Old men marrying 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 year old virgins was a righteous tradition, don't you know? -
@jflower36 yes the concept of modern marriage is simple enough, however marriage in those days was completely different so honestly that point still makes no sense. Marriage in that era was essentially selling property to the highest bidder regardless of what that property wanted. Pimps do that nowadays... though of course they get the most bang for their buck. Way more than a few sheep.
@ TT: "The tradition of marriage was not even celebrated in churches until the twelfth century, which was of course long before women had the vote. But hey it's a tradition, invented by god, don't you know?" exactly
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Oh boy....
If animals don't have a moral code to follow - then WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ONE.
Unless you reason that you are not a part of the animal chain.
If you believe animals do not reason - then you completely have lost sight of the fact that animals survived well EVERYWHERE until MAN came along and destroyed everywhere....
Animals reason quite well - just because we have opposable thumbs does not make US God.
God does not give Marriage.
Marriage is - that is correct --- but it it IS different in everyone's personal belief caste.
Christians believe that sex is WRONG --- unless it is under certain circumstances.
That's like saying MURDER is ok if the right conditions are met.
That's putting a justification.
Marriage is in no uncertain terms --- OWNERSHIP.
I believe strongly in marriage - and I believe strongly in fidelity --- and believe it or not... I don't think it's wise for young children to be having sex.
BUT - I do not believe it is a sin to have sex outside of the circumstance of marriage... I do not believe SEX is a sin.
I believe RAPE is a sin.
I believe MURDER is a sin.
And by sin I mean something that is not SOCIALLY CORRECT at any time or place for ANYONE.
To hurt others is a SIN.
But sex?
Sheesh - come on - it's how you got here... It's FUN... It's exciting - it's pleasurable --- WHY CAN'T CONSENTING ADULTS ENJOY IT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO?
Why can't people watch it if they want to?
Why is it a sin?
I mean - come on --- it's the basest of human or animal nature - it is a drive that happens whether you want it to or not, unless you have a physical problem/mental problem or are brainwashed into believing that touching or feeling good is BAD.
Christians, in my humble opinion are control freaks who want the best of the world locked up and reserved ONLY for those who follow their ways...
And if you don't follow their ways - you are a SINNER --- an outcast - an EVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL thing.
I don't buy it.
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wagerwitch, what about s&m, or gang-bangs, or torture porn, or rape fetishes, or bukkake, or incest, or the fetishizing of under-age girls, or the objectification of women in general? i'm all for modern sexuality, but i dont know that porn is exactly a liberal, feminist rebellion against patriarchy. its not exactly "sticking it to the man" to watch a man sticking it to a woman, so other men (and women) can jerk off.
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Ugh.
Where in the world did you come up with all those things?
I have explicitly said "BETWEEN 2 CONSENTING ADULTS".
Sigh, don't read words I haven't written please. It makes you seem dense.
I don't care if you swing from chandeliers while mentally calculating abstract mathematics and blindfold yourself --- while getting sexed up - as long as you're a consenting adult.
What YOU do in YOUR bedroom is NONE of my business.
But what consenting adults do to themselves is NONE of YOUR business. -
Whoa, that is kind of awesome. The thing with the chandelier...
I'm not saying it is my business what consenting adults do to each other, I'm just saying I have passing knowledge of the business. And its more than just "consenting adults." The porn industry is based on fantasy, and on what people want to watch, and usually its what people with penises want to watch. Its not an industry based on respecting both genders, as far as I've seen.
Oh, I watch porn, definitely. I'm just saying, its one thing to be okay with it, its another to hold it up as a bastion of empowerment.
Most porn does objectify women. Its sort of the function of porn: look at these pretty ladies, think of all the nasty things we can do. Its tantalizing, and its fantasy. Fine. Watch it, get your kicks. I do, too. I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm just saying, its not like: oooh, porn, a triumph of the human spirit against the oppression of the christian society. No. Porn is dirty. Fun, functional, but NOT an example of the best of mankind.
It isnt dirty to have sex, it isnt even dirty to film it. It is a little dirty to do it for a paycheck, but most things we do for a paycheck are a little dirty.
I just think its funny to try to glorify porn as anything other than men screwing women for other, mostly male pleasure, as it perpetuates certain negative ideas about women.
Consenting adults is fine, obviously, but its dishonest to say that porn is just two consenting adults having sex. We can acknowledge that porn has its downsides without saying its evil, and we can acknowledge that porn is tantalizing without glorifying it.
Thanks, bukkake is one I just learned. And I just found out about cake farting, haha.
(Also, why BUY porn? Its so ubiquitous, dont people just go online for it now? Just me?)
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I do.
I find religions to be the utmost evil thing in our world today.
I equate religion with racism.
They are both wrong in my humble opinion.
There is RIGHT and WRONG.
Wrong is anything that hurts anyone else.
Right is being a good person and not hurting others.
Mistakes happen - but they should be corrected as much as possible.
There may be some ALL powerful THING out there - but I don't think that all powerful being or thing wants us to go to war against our neighbors or to hate those that are not of the same opinion or thoughts.
I dislike anything that exerts power by extolling blind faith and fear.
A fear of being punished or being without something SHOULD NOT BE what makes a human being a good person.
They should WANT to be a good person because that is the RIGHT way to be.
PUNISHMENT - is the wrong way to make me faithful.
No thanks - I don't want to pay to make something I don't believe in by NON-OPTIONAL tithing more powerful.
It would be different if religion was democratic - but it's not.
It's pretty much just another form of government control - and it's insidious and slithery evil.
So to say I'm opinionated about religion --- well let's just say I reason things out.
And there is absolutely NO reason --- within religion.
It is BLIND FAITH - and Because I told you so...
And it's a dream held just out of reach like a carrot in front of the donkey... It says --- be good, follow me blindly and in the end you will get your greedy dreams... You just can't have them now...
But of course - the pope --- or any major religious leader --- they happen to be decked out in gold...
Hmmmmm....
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I think religion has a place, however there needs to be greater humility on the part of religious leaders: unless they're playing golf with God on Thursdays, it's not possible for them to directly speak for Him.
Secondly, it's a matter of emphasis: what this thread proves is that lust is still seen as a greater seen than greed -
www.whirledpeas.eu/2009/05/01/the-forgotten-commandment/ -
You are right that there is a lot of corruption in "religious institutions". Jesus spoke out against the religious leaders of His day who used their position to hurt the weak. Just because someone names the name of God, doesn't make them righteous or even a true believer. You are right to be angry with injustice. God will hold all accountable for sin.
By the way, I don't feel pressured into a belief in God. I believe that God is real...I would stake my life on it. -
No, religion. Organised religion is just a way to try and legitimise your insecure superstitions by having other deluded people buying into them too. As long as we have people fighting tooth and nail over pies in the sky and the Five Elephants, religion would be the problem, whether it is organised or not.
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Again green - I say this:
LUST is just another natural human reaction to life.
Religion extols upon it's worshippers that LUST is evil and they must refrain - as a form of control.
My belief is that there was a time when raping and pillaging was far and wide --- and in a wave of fear - the leaders of the religious movements stomped down on the rapers and pillagers in the only way they knew how.
But they forgot to lift it somewhere - and started using it to keep women as chattel - so that other men wouldn't touch their women.
You do realize that WOMEN are the ones who used to come into a marriage with something - and that the men were usually poor. Small thing called a dowry.
Anyhow - in the church - there was a case where a Priest died and his WIDOW owned a significant amount of land that the church wanted... And the Church somehow decided that Priest's could no longer marry. I'm not sure where I read that - but that was when I first realized that CHURCHES were about manipulation and power - and that was WRONG.
And now they use it (lust) as a way to keep people under their thumbs.
Some religions say "do this evil deed and you'll have 9 wives for you in heaven as you die"... If that is not a manipulation of lust in men - then what is?
I totally dislike religions.
And I still think LUST is normal.
SEX is ABSOLUTELY NORMAL
Or you all wouldn't be here.
The belief that sex is wrong and that LUST is evil is purely religious in nature.
Lust - not RAPE or wrong intentions with a Non-Consenting adult - is completely NORMAL.
And I sometimes think that because we try to hold it back that we, as a nation - and as humans - are creating monsters that do rape and kill.
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The other thing I find infinitely interesting is that CULTURE often dictates the BRAND of religion.
IF RELIGION WERE REAL -- wouldn't it ALL be the same?-
"IF RELIGION WERE REAL -- wouldn't it ALL be the same"
Are you asking if a religion is right, why doesn't everyone believe? Or are you saying that if something was real, everyone would know it? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. But I will say this...something can be true without people believing in it.
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Back on the topic of pornography entwined with religion, has anyone read the novella "Story of the Eye" by George Bataille.
It was written in 1928 and details the increasingly bizarre sexual perversions of a pair of teenage lovers.
It is a great read, and contains some glorious scenes of desecration.
You can download the PDF of the story here and read it.
Warning: Contains strong sexual content in the form of rape, necrophilia, coprophilia, fetish objects (particularly eggs and eyeballs), and half a dozen other types of deviance. It's good though.
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@thefiveelements: Ummm...this may come as a big surprise...but not everybody agrees about pornography being evil...or sex being evil...or the nature of evil...or the nature of God...or whether God even exists...
Thus, if you were talking about somebody who shares all of your viewpoints and beliefs about these things yelling "God" in a porno, your question would make sense. As it is, it doesn't.-
at 86john: evil? isn't that a bit strong? EVIL? the same word you use to describe the behavior of a serial killer? isn't evil a better word for something devoid of feelings, or devoid of positive feelings? and is it the act thats evil, or the people doing it? what about when husbands rape their wives, is that evil? i entered this discussion HONESTLY thinking this would be hilarious and jokey. but uh. this happened.
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I find it's usually the woman shouting: O God! O God! The man is usually thinking of what to do next.
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The people who are IN porn are obvisouly not religious...so calling out his name has less meaning to them. If using God's name in vein is a big deal to you...RULE #1...don't be in porn...
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LOL people in porn have no morals already....why do they care if they take the Lord's name in vain??
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Isn't it of the Christian belief that IF YOU THINK IT - it is already a sin?
I mean - therefore wouldn't simulated sex be a SIN to Christians?
I mean - sheesh, let go already.
NOT EVERYONE IS CHRISTIAN - therefore NOT EVERYONE is oppressed by CHRISTIAN dogma - and NOT EVERYONE believes that EVERYTHING pleasurable is a sin.
OK - let's say this:
Would a MARRIED COUPLE who make a video of their copulation be PORNOGRAPHY?
But they are married.
But they aren't showing their films to ANYONE else.
But PORNOGRAPHY is films of sex.
Hmmm Conundrum - here.
DO YOU ALL REALIZE THAT ONLY THE MISSIONARY POSITION WAS ACCEPTABLE IN CHRISTIAN RELIGION AT SOME POINT?
Sheesh - what a waste of fun.
Did you realize that CHRISTIANITY says and EYE for an EYE...
(in other words, it's ok to KILL - if someone has killed before?)
Hmmmmm... So VIOLENCE, MAYHEM and MURDER are OK.... but physical pleasure... Oh freaking noooooooooooo!
Somehow, I do believe that somewhere there are a group of people who LOST their trust and belief in humanity and had to be treated like mindless sheep... So they allowed a group of people headed by someone charismatic to tell them what to do.
Now we all know, thanks to HITLER (and no, this isn't a Godwin's Law thing - just FYI) that absolute power corrupts, and sometimes those in power are perversely made happy by things that diminish other people's happiness - and that they enjoy inflicting pain and humiliation on those surrounding them or are below them.
So doesn't pain and humiliation sound EXACTLY like what Christianity is?
No sex - no pleasure - no money - give money to the church - it's a sin to do anything that is fun or pleasurable... etc. Ad infinitum?
As to CA's choice of religions that are not the same.
EVERY RELIGION seeks to a HIGHER POWER(s)that is in control, because humanity cannot percieve that they are in control of themselves and what is around them to all degrees, if they could just figure it out.
Relgion(s) all seek to make someone HIGHER and everyone else LOWER.
Without Follower - religion(s) would not exist.
In that extent - ALL POLITICS - and ALL RELIGIONS are the absolute same.
But - in the truth of the matter - all that is changed is the god(s) head.
Money - a man - a spirit - power.
Now - pornography...
Tell me - what is worse? An eye for an eye - or two people laughing, getting it on so that others can get excited sexually and want to replicate the moaning and groaning of pleasures that are going on?
Hmmmmmmmm....
I mean - the death of video game villans should be more scary than pornography ANY DAY.
We subject our children - cheering them on as they KILL, Main, Disfigure, Destroy, Harm, Mutilate and kill - in these video games we purchase for them on YOUR CHRIST'S BIRTHDAY.
Sheesh.
Talk about priorities.
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Yeah - I know --- they're all closet watchers. (And maybe even closet buyers).
I mean seriously, IF there wasn't a DEMAND for it, there wouldn't be any. -
Yeah - that's it.
Me and my millions of porn movies sitting in my private warehouse.
And you know he has his own warehouse too!
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Dude --- don't tell me you just uhm.... let it dry hard and crackly?????!!!!!?????
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You should try Dr. Pepper through your nose - it's much more bubbly and interesting.
A cleansing experience.
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They dont - they're too busy reading them and watching them. And thats not actually a joke, theres one that actually has his tv screen on the counter and there's porn playing all the time. The porn that they do try and sell, are the ones that news agents have cut the front covers off because the issue didnt sell for that month. So the Indian dude raids their waste bin at night and tries to re-sell the issues in his own shop
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I think this may answer some of your questions. It's very thought provoking. If you dig deep you might get a deeper understanding of what happens when you get too religiously "tight". Yes it's cnfronting.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVL8m6HmqnM&eurl=http://healingtreesformen.wordpres...
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