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Would You Kill For Love?
Posted by AchEmpire • 10/20/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: love
Basically would you kill for love if the one you wanted had all you seeked, but was taken as quickly as the speed of light?
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I don't love anyone enough to kill for them.-
I think you mis-understood my metaphor.
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Floormodel - So you wouldn't kill if you were forced too?
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Ok, I understand
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Would I kill to protect them, or would I perform an assassination on someone I perceived as a threat but not a danger? Yes, to the former, in an immediately dangerous situation. Never, to the latter, because that's just psycho.-
legbamel - Hi so you would "Kill" to protect your love, as based on your answer. So if your husband got killed by a woman that wanted him, but he didn't want her then you would kill her, because she's hazardous?
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Revenge is not an act of love. -
If she was literally attacking him, then I would try to protect him, yes. If she was simply harassing him (as has happened) I would make sure that we took legal steps to keep us safe but I wouldn't go hunt her down and take her out or anything unstable like that. If she'd already killed him, I'd tell the police what I knew but I wouldn't act the vigilante.
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MadameX - Why are you saying revenge? So if your daughter got killed and the one who killed her was your neighbor next door to you, you're saying you wouldn't wait a couple of months to invite him over for dinner and slip him poison in his drink or food, to kill him silently?
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legbamel - So what if the police couldn't do anything for you? Would you proceed to take care of the situation your self?
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No, of course not, AchEmpire. I don't doubt that I'd have that impulse, but we're not required to act on every wrong-headed thought or emotion. What amazes me is that you'd characterize an act like that as "for love". How, exactly, would it benefit the victim?
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At AchE: No. I'd move, though.
At MadameE: Precisely. That's not for love, it's for revenge and out of anger. -
MadamX- Explain your phrase below? What is amazing you? My question can be addressed in anyway, so with you I mentioned daughter someone else I mentioned husband, etc.
What amazes me is that you'd characterize an act like that as "for love". How, exactly, would it benefit the victim? -
I don't understand how you could characterize a revenge killing as "for love", since it would in no way benefit the object of your love. Acting "for love" means acting in the best interests of the one you love, for his/her good...venting your rage doesn't do a thing for that person.
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Oh Ache, we have missed you.-
crpitt - Hi you have been misse too. So I'm assuming you would kill for your love?
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I would kill for money or toast, but not love.
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crpitt - Are you trying to be funny? We all have killers hidden within us. It's just some of us let that inner conscious take over and mis-lead to the wrong actions.
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I'd only kill for toast if I'd already buttered it. Otherwise, I'd just make more.
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Just because someone has everything you want, doesn't mean that it is love or that they love you. No one is taken from you, they go willingly. So why would you bother killing for someone like that.
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crpitt - So your saying if you found the love of your life and you were suppose to get married, but his ex kills him with poison right before the marriage ceremony, you wouldn't be so hurt you would proceed to eliminate her from yuor life like she did him from you?
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I saw no mention of death/murder in the original question.
I have no idea what I would do if someone was murdered.
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I'd kill for the hell of it -- who needs love?-
MissSuzie - Hi so you're saying you would just do a random kill, with no reason?
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Absolutely.
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MissSuzie - Are you familiar with Charles Manson? He was a random serial killer?
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Yes. He was awesome until he got caught.
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MissSuzie - I'm not sure how to respond to you saying "Charles Manson" was awesome? So if you met someone and fell in love with him and he turned out to be like "Charles Manson" in your relationship and eventually killed you, would your spirit or soul wonder wow why would he do this to me? Or would your soul or spirit just laugh it off, and say hope he gets the next one like he did me?
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I'm torn between ROTFL and WTF, here.
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If I met a man like Manson, you best believe I'd "off" him first.
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It is a classic ROFLWTFing situation.
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legbamel - You said: I'm torn between ROTFL and WTF, here.
What do you mean by that? -
crpitt - You said: It is a classic ROFLWTFing situation.
I don't understand your phrase above? -
ROTFL = rolling on the floor laughing
WTF = What the fcuk
ROFLWTFing situation = rolling on the floor laughing what the fcuk ing situation -
After the exchange with Friday13 below, I'm definitely moving over to the ROTFL camp.
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It swings back to WTF camp after the dateline comment.
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At least Law & Order didn't rank. [snicker]
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MissSuzie - Thanks for explaining the abbreviations.
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I really did SOL then!
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I'm afraid I had to give MadameX an air point after her latest. I suspect that this isn't really some sneaky way of making a point about capital punishment, after all.
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I'd kill for a sandwich about now.-
dbowles1017 - Ha Ha.
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I'm serious. I'm hungry
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AchEmpire, You seem to be justifying killing out of serious loss, Does any law on the land justifies that ? Would you break the law ?-
crawler - No I wouldn't break the law, but the question was would you kill for your love who had all you seeked?
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Personally, I've never seeked. I sought to build a relationship with someone, once, and that's worked out pretty well over the years.
Wait a minute--this isn't some sneaky capital punishment debate, is it? -
legbamel - So you don't think the "building a relationship" triggered from what you orginally wanted "seeked"?
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I wasn't looking for squat when I met hubby. He was just a friend of an acquaintance that happened to be around a few times.
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AchEmpire - You reply seem to be overlooking the point of view I have presented, that's what I have said How could you break the law even if your question is 'would you kill for your love who had all you seeked?'
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Is that what you meant, legbamel? I thought that was just a subtle way of pointing out that "seeked" isn't a word.
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crawler - & remember I mentioned to you I would not break the law, but you have to remember another thing when you kill you do have an option of insanity to use when you reach the courts.
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Um, killing someone with a plan of claiming insanity (a defense which is almost never successful, particularly in a case like the one you describe here) is still breaking the law. You might, in the rare case, get away with it, but that's not the same as "not breaking the law".
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'Twas, MadameX, but apparently I was too subtle. It may have been that the "I wouldn't break the law" claim confusing me, surrounded as it is by exhortations to do just that. [shrug]
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MadameX - I've watched 20/20, dateline and 60 minutes and many of those cases are in the act of killing for love/etc and they get off with insanity.
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Lights, Camera ...........Action. You mean just like that. hahaha
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They "get off with insanity"? Really? In nearly every state, the insanity defense requires a demonstration that a person's mental state was such that he was unable to recognize that his act was wrong/illegal. Irresistible impulses do NOT form the basis of an insanity defense in most states.
I have to admit that I find your response here a bit entertaining:
Me: I'm a criminal defense attorney, and the insanity defense is in fact very limited and not applicable to most situations like you describe.
You: Oh yeah? Well...I watch TV!
I'm also a little unclear on what you mean when you say that many of these people "killed for love", since murder is not an act of love. Do you mean that they committed cold-blooded murder as an act of revenge against an unfaithful lover, the partner of an unfaithful lover, or someone who harmed a person they loved? -
MadameX- You said-
Me: I'm a criminal defense attorney, and the insanity defense is in fact very limited and not applicable to most situations like you describe.
You are correct it is very limited, but if you can show proof that you were pushed to being in a "mental state" then the courts would offer you psychotherapy or arrange you to be in a mental ward till you improve with a better mind, and if you have had prior issues that were hidden but you were able to manage them, then the courts will definitely conclude your actions were driven by a "mental state" traumatic experience and offer you mental help, instead of punish you by justifying jail time. -
And you're basing this on cases in which the circumstances were so rare and sensational that they made the national news?
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legbamel - No I'm basing this on "I rather not say"
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crawler - I have no reason to joke about this.
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AchEmpire, the standards you describe here have nothing whatsoever to do with an insanity defense. You seem to have blended a few different things together, including a person being found incompetent to stand trial (an entirely separate issue from insanity at the time the crime was committed) and mitigating factors that may be applied to affect the sentence once a person has been CONVICTED of a crime.
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MadameX - So are you saying I've well crafted my defense based on your assumptions of me blending different stuff together and mitigating factors together?
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No, dear. She's saying you don't know what the eff you're talking about and that, if you're planning to commit a crime and pretend that you were mentally unable to tell that it was wrong when you did so, you shouldn't post about it on a public forum where you've also posted your photo.
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legbamel- You said:
No, dear. She's saying you don't know what the eff you're talking about and that, if you're planning to commit a crime and pretend that you're mentally unable to tell that it was wrong, you shouldn't post about it on a public forum where you've also posted your photo.
My response: Hi this post is for general discussion, I have no reasons to engage in such activitiy. I represent a great universe and everyone knows of my background. Don't take my posts too serious, and remember "Actions Speak Louder Than Words"! -
What you think you've "crafted" isn't a defense at all. If you're incompetent to stand trial, there isn't a defense offered at all--your trial is simply postponed until such time as you can assist in your own defense. You might be hospitalized during that time, but when you were well enough to stand trial, you'd be right back where you started.
Mitigating factors also don't constitute a defense, since they only come into play on sentencing, or perhaps in an effort to secure a conviction for a lesser offense. In other words, mitigating factors are only relevant for the purpose of arguing that although you are guilty, your punishment shouldn't be as severe.
You are also toying with "guilty but insane", which is in some ways riskier than a straight up conviction.
Overall, your reasoning reeks of the (very common) situation in which criminals think they're far more clever than they really are and end up smugly hanging themselves. -
MadameX - So you think I'm thinking like a criminal and will hang myself once my cleverness wears dry? I think my post is confusing you. I'm not doing anything of this nature.
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MadameX - So you think I'm thinking like a criminal and will hang myself once my cleverness wears dry? I think my post is confusing you. I'm not doing anything of this nature.
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I know you're thinking like a criminal. I also strongly suspect that your inflated belief in your own cleverness hangs you on a regular basis, though you may not recognize the cause and effect. I didn't think you'd murdered anyone, or were planning to--I was responding to your direct question as to whether or not I thought you'd constructed a good defense.
I will agree with you about one thing, though...virtually everything you say confuses me. Most of the time I go with the theory that you're just messing with us, playing a role, because it's difficult for me to believe that anyone could have achieved adulthood (let alone the level of success you claim) with such consistently warped thought patterns intact.
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No more or less than I would kill for boredom.-
...says the guy with a sword on his back.
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voodooKobra - So then you would kill, and you do have a killer hidden within you. We all are born killers, it's just some of us know how to handle the inner self conscious better than others.
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he definetely looks like a killer ... just check out those shifty lil cartoon eyes ... o_0 -
I don't think "hidden" is the right word to use. It's more of a "I'm never in a situation that calls for it" kind of thing.
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voodooKobra - So when you are in a situation like this then what?
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Then heads will roll and the blood will fly.
I have no qualms about using lethal force if a situation calls for it.
However, I don't consider revenge to be a worthy cause unless it's immediate. Like, they shoot my mom so I kill them before they leave the scene. The way I see it is if they get away from me, they become the legal system's problem.
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I have. I killed my husband's wife and other mistress (I was 3rd in position) that's how I got him. -
I would do anything for love
But I won't do that
-Meat Loaf-
Friday13 - You can't say what you wouldn't do. Once the inner mind takes over you have no control, except when it reverts back to when you end up in court and then you can appeal with insanity.
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Oh, but it's not me saying it. Just quoting a line from a song.
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Friday13 - So then you're saying you would kill for love?
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Don't be shy, Meat Loaf! You can share your true identity with us. I'd never have recognized you from your avatar. Go ahead, admit you'd kill for love but not get a decent haircut.
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AchEmpire: Nope, I'm not saying anything. Disregard my comments.
legbamel: Shhhh! You're ruining my cover! -
Friday13 - So is your inner mind saying for you to go silent or are you saying that from a clear mind?
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Hey ache, do you want to be my sugar momma?
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dbowles1017 - Hi are you familiar with my thread "My Definition of A Perfect Man"? If not go back and re-read it, and then ask me the question again, but this time look in the mirror and say it.
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Say 'Liquid Assets' in a loud and firm tone, whilst naked.
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crpitt - I think if I'm correct I address "Liquid Assets" in the thread "My Definition of A Perfect Man" Liquid defined Part 2. not part 1, but crpitt I know you don't "seek" you just go with the flow and take as come.
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It was in part 2? I can't believe I mixed them up!
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crpitt - Ha Ha, lets hope dbowles1017 figures all that out.
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Hopefully so, he needs a lot of work.
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If I had money I wouldn't need a sugar momma
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Killing has nothing to do with love--nothing whatsoever, so this question is ridiculous and not valid. This is one of the dumbest discussion questions I have seen for some time.
It reeks of teenage fantasy love. Ugh.
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melindaville - So you don't think there are insane adults doing this? I see them all the time explaining their cases on 20/20, dateline and 60 minutes. Nothing teenage about any of this a bit.
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"Insane adults" don't act out of love--they act out of the warped perceptions brought about by their insanity.
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FredSr2009 - Depends on what?
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I've killed a couple of mosquitoes in my life, but it wasn't for love.-
nothingprofound - But you still killed them for some reason. We all have killers in us.
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The potential to commit murder doesn't make you a murderer. Murdering someone makes you a murderer.
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First off, Manson was not a serial killer, he had others to do his business for him ..
Secondly ... ahhh you know what, f*ck it, I'm going to crpitt's flat for some toast!-
bettieblogger - You all are cussing and freaking out over this post. Yes Charles Mansion was defined as a serial killer, if he was not "as you put it" he would not still be in jail right now. Remember he was present in some of those killings he "Directed"
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Ok, being present during a murder doesn't make him a serial killer, that is defined completely differently .. look it up if it suits you.
As for cussing, it had nothing to do with your thread .. I just really wanted some toast. -
I've made it this far down the thread and all I know now is that I too would like some toast please.
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I would kill for toast, so you aint having any of mine!
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that's fine. I made my own toast, rye with a touch of butter not that fake butter stuff either. It was both tasty and deelicious and I have no doubt that had you been here I'd have killed to keep you from stealing my toast.
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I'll not kill anyone but I'll try to control as humanyly possible.-
MrRadio - Control what? Your insanity to not kill?
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wow... WTF...
Maybe Ache should ask life advise from a magic 8-ball instead of bloggers... it would sell better during the trial-
Agit8r - Wow what? & why are you cussing? Are you being "blindsided" by this post, because you may have a killer hidden within you?
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no. I'm just saying that the prosecution could say this thread represented premeditation for giving sugar-daddy too much opium...
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Agit8r - Where are you concluding sugar daddy in any of this?
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I would only only kill to protect my children and out of my love for them.-
ToughCookieMommy - Interesting you say that. So if your husband killed your children who you love, would you then kill him, because he killed the "Ones You Loved- Your Children"?
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Wow, that is a really morbid question. I think I would be capable of killing anyone that hurt my children or put my children in danger. I love my husband but I love my children more than my husband.
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ToughCookieMommy- Morbid question?
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Seriously Ach, have ya lost your ever loving mind?
btw: this was a purely rhetorical question, I already know the answer o_0 -
I know the answer!
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bettieblogger - No one has lost their minds
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Just their mind
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bwaahahaha
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I'd never be able to bring myself to kill someone but rather die for love.-
stinkysteven - So for you to die for love, don't you think someone would have to have killed you first?
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Suicide. -
jeremyjason- So you're saying you would rather kill yourself than someone kill you? Remember God doesn't resurect you from "Suicide" behavior, but if you were killed by somone else then you would enter the gates.
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Someone should have the choice, and anyways, I'm pretty sure that's (sort of) hogwash, though you would probably go to Hell (whatever it is) most of the time because most suicides are a kind of self-condemnation. You would also go to Hell if you would be willing to kill over "covet thy neighbors wife."
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jeremyjanson - Interesting, sounds like you and I are of like kind in ways.
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No, and stop thinking it's okay or justifiable because it's not. Killing "for love" is an act of lust or coveting - chances are you probably don't really love the person as much as you want to possess them. For starters, it shows a supreme lack of respect for your "beloved" to give their freedom such a negative value.
The only form of "killing for love" that is ever justifiable is the defense of a loved ones life against someone set to kill them, and even then you should show some love for your fellow man in general and try your best to maim or disable most of the time. That's it.-
jeremyjanson - Hi I never said it's ok to kill for love. I asked would you kill for love, not me.
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It seems like you're glorifying it. But no, I wouldn't, and I know because I've been there before and didn't.
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This sounds right to me, Jeremy. As I previously stated, "only to protect my children." You stated it very well.
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jeremyjanson - Glorifying what? Everyone has their own reasons on the "killing action"
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@AE: For starters, the mere way that you phrase this question is a kind of glorification. You make it sound like it's "For Love" when really it's "For Pride." Also, your statement of "Everyone has their own reasons on the "killing action"" is a statement of acceptance, of vindication.
But beyond that, not all violence is evil, but violence that is selfish is always evil. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" as the good Lord says. Further, you cannot love somebody without respecting them. There is no respect in killing their chosen. None. Nor could you expect to get them back from doing it if they have any dignity at all.
This woman did nothing wrong, but even if she did it was not great enough and it does not threaten you. I know you are a Christian - Christ has forgiven you a lot. Don't you think it's a little disrespectful to Him to not forgive a little from others? And to not honor his fathers law at all, which is there AS A GIFT TO ALL MANKIND FOR YOU TO LIVE YOUR LIFE BETTER! The Commandments are for you AE, embrace them, do not abandon them like a heathen. -
jeremyjanson - You have lost me with your comment, and I see my post is "blinding" you like some others on here commenting. Understand my post "metaphor" and you will conclude the hidden message. I have no reasons to act on any of this.
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@AE: I'm trying to explain why it's immoral and shouldn't be glorified, and how you seemed to be doing so. I apologize if I got your intent wrong, but I really don't see the metaphor at all.
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jeremyjanson - That's great, but stop taking the post so seriously, and me too.
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TCM, what about other people's children? I think that you mentioned before that you had been a teacher--would you not have acted on the same instinct to protect the children in your care by day?
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That is a good question, MadameX. Yes, I am currently a Middle School teacher. The answer to your question is yes, I would kill to protect my students also. There are two reasons for this: A. They are only defenseless children and B. I have been entrusted by their parents to care for them while they are under my supervision. Plus, my older one is in school and I would want his teacher to go to any length to protect him. Hopefully, this will never be a decision that I have to make. Taking a life is a sin and not to be taken lightly.
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I don't understand what you are asking, or implying. If the one I was madly in love with, marries or elopes with someone, would I kill that person and get my love back?
Doesn't make sense
But if I were to be BETRAYED badly, wrenching my good feelings and all that, then murder might be in my heart, or I would change as a person to someone really mean.
BTW I believe that's where many mean people come from - spawned by others' meanness-
crazyTsu- Yous said:
But if I were to be BETRAYED badly, wrenching my good feelings and all that, then murder might be in my heart, or I would change as a person to someone really mean.
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If I love you (One-sided of course) and I kill your hubby will you then love me?
Thats what your question says
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crazyTsu - You said:
Part 1- If I love you (One-sided of course) and I kill your hubby will you then love me?
Thats what your question says
Part 2- On the other hand if we loved each other and suddenly you made off with someone else and I found out you were lying then certainly I wont have kind feelings
Your part 1 of your comment isn't correct. My post doesn't aim in that way, but you may craft it to suit your needs if decide too.
Your part 2 is possibly aiming in the reasoning of this post. It sounds like your mind immediately changed when you said part 2. So I can conclude you may have a inner silent mind within you. -
Again look at your sentence: Basically would you kill for love if the one you wanted had all you seeked, but was taken as quickly as the speed of light
If someone else takes her, and she goes and I am nowhere in the picture, I can only conclude it was one sided -
Tsu, from other comments she's made here, she seems to be talking about someone killing the one you love.
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well she still asserted: My post doesn't aim in that way
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MX: oops I misread that in a hurry
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LadyHands - Never what?
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Wow - I was sleepy when I logged on and now I'm just thankful I don't live near AchEmpire b/c DAMN!!!
Would I kill? Absolutely - if it was guaranteed I'd get away with it. I know a couple people I could kill and not think twice about it. Sorry. I'm not a homicidal maniac, nor would I kill someone so I could be with my "true love" (at least I think that's what the point of this thread was? I got distracted by DB's sandwich comment LOL) - no man's worth murder and jail.
And AchE - you mentioned at one point you've watched plenty of shows/60 minutes etc... where they use an insanity plea. Unfortunately, that's very difficult to hold up in court, plus pre-meditation (which apparently you have) is an indicator of sanity...
so yea.....good luck with all that!-
sjtavo - Don't let this post "blindside" you. I'm nothing like this.
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ok, read it all and only have one question:
AchE, who did you kill and where did you hide the body?-
if she's smart, she didn't hide the body, she fed it to a bunch of pigs because they'll eat everything, including bone.
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Floormodel - Why would you think I've killed someone? Sounds like this post has "blindsided" you. Others have got the metaphor, of my true meaning.
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sjtavo - How do you know pigs would eat everything including the bones? Have you tried your experiment already, and using the post as a way to release the insanity?
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I got your motive too. you wanted people to focus on you and we have. But you're not content to have discussion, you want to control said discussion and by insulting and discounting many of our replies and thoughts you believe you are acheiving your goal and in a sense you are.
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Floormodel - I'm very dis-enchanted you would say such. I have no motive, and my goal isn't trying to get everyone to focus on me.
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ok yes, i admit it. i'm a serial killer. i have a pen of hogs on my city lot back in the corner and I go around shooting people because it makes me feel so good. LOL this is one odd discussion...
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sjtavo - This is not an odd discussion, and it's not about random killings. I mentioned would you kill for a love, that's it.
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this is an odd yet strangely familiar type of discussion where we're all supposed to answer but our answers will be picked apart and insulted by the original poster.
I think it is amusing to see how twisticated the justification gets.
To kill for love, in the case of a betrayal, is to kill for love one's self. Being betrayed is not justification for murder nor is it "insanity" it is a selfish act of anger. -
@ AchE you seem to confuse everyone's response... and put everything in "quotes" and this discussion isn't really going anywhere....that's what makes it an odd discussion. Ciao!
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No, I wouldn't. If someone you love doesn't reciprocate-- or changes their mind, or is swayed by someone new-- then it's not a relationship I want to be in in the first place.
Killing a rival for perceived affection is the stuff of people with mental disorders or a plot point in fiction.-
ThriftShopRomantic - You said:
Killing a rival for perceived affection is the stuff of people with mental disorders or a plot point in fiction.
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Um... how many people do you hear about who have committed murder over someone and hear how they're stable individuals?
And yes, I DO write. And read.
Question the statement all you like, you're not going to get me to ever think, "Hey, ya know what-- AchEmpire had it right all along. I should have totally whacked that guy who dumped me in college for the girl down the hall."
Everyone has a right to live. My not liking a situation at a particular time doesn't give me the right to commit murder.
Go watch the movie "Rope." -
ThriftShopRomantic - Have you watched "Unfaithful"? Richard Gear was stable and rich and Diane didn't have a mental disorder. She fell in love with a complete stranger, which caused her husband to not have a clear mind and proceed to act on doing insane stuff.
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So clearly a Hollywood motion picture is a good reason to suggest this would be a nifty idea for real life, eh?
Um... "not have a clear mind"... "doing insane stuff"...
But "stable"?
I would love, AchEmpire, to discover some day that you post these threads as some big joke for a coffeetable humor book you've been compiling on how to befuddle an online community.
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ThriftShopRomantic - My threads aren't "big jokes" but rather real life situations that occur in everyday life. I think you are being "blindsided" by not fully understanding the metaphor in this post.
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On soap operas everyday maybe...
No, more and more I'm thinking this is a part of a social media psychological experiment or some kind of publicity gimmick.
And if not, well... At least BC will have the thread as evidence for your murder trial. -
ThriftShopRomantic - I dissected this particular part
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more and more I'm thinking this is a part of a social media psychological experiment or some kind of publicity gimmick.
Where are you getting psychological experiment or publicity gimmick from? I have no reason to engage in any of this stuff at random, if I did that would make me lets see "insane" -
AchEmpire, I hope I'm not putting words in Jenn's mouth, but I think she is suggesting something similar to what I did above: that it's difficult to believe that you could possibly be serious about many of the things you say, so there must be some other motivation.
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MadameX - No motivation with me, I just post a discussion and that's it.
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AchEmpire, I think that a lot of us find it difficult to believe that an adult and alleged professional actually engages consistently in such convoluted thought processes and has such a limited ability to grasp other people's responses and even basic vocabulary. I think that many of us believe that you're playing games with us because the alternative is inconceivable.
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MadameX - Once again you can mock me for however you like. You are one of the few that's digging and trying to reason the after math conclusions of the true meanings of my discussions. I am not deluted or psycho, and I'm sorry you think I'm playing games or trying to confuse you or anyone else, because I'm not.
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AchEmpire, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in thinking that. The only alternative conclusion is that you lack the ability to reason or even use the English language at even a middle-school level.
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I would kill in protection of someone I love. But thats about it.-
lotusb - You said:
I would kill in protection of someone I love. But thats about it.
So if you love your father, mother, brothers and sisters, and husband, but the husband killed them all, would you then kill your husband because he killed the ones you loved? Or would you be confused because you love him too? -
Ache-sounds like the premise for a Greek tragedy. Wife kills husband, son kills mother, the State executes son.
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nothingprofound- Hi you said:
sounds like the premise for a Greek tragedy.
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The ancient Greeks wrote many plays in which parents, husbands, wives, sons and daughters were all involved in a cycle of revenge/love murders. That's what I'm referring to.
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AchEmpire, you keep responding to people who have said they would kill to PROTECT someone with questions about the circumstances under which they would kill to AVENGE someone. If someone has already killed your loved one, the loved one can no longer be protected. I don't believe anyone in this thread has said that they would kill to avenge, though you have turned the question back to several people in that form.
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nothingprofound - Thanks for re-explaining
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WELL....I would kill in the DEFENSE of someone I love. For example if someone was trying to harm my mother, brother, sister, lover...etc...I would do whatever in my power to stop it to the point of kill that person.
If some crazy man killed my family killing him wouldn't really bring them back, now would it? Nope...so I would leave it up to the authorities (and my cousins) to handle that. -
lotusb - So basically you would kill, and you do have a killer hidden within you like the rest of our universe who hide the truth with inner emotions and insanity.
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I think it's only natural to defend those you love. I don't think I have a "killer" in my depths, or that I'm hidding the truth with insanity...
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lotusb - So if you think it's natural and you said:
WELL....I would kill in the DEFENSE of someone I love.
then you would:
So if you love your father, mother, brothers and sisters, and husband, but the husband killed them all, would you then kill your husband because he killed the ones you loved? Or would you be confused because you love him too?
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AchEmpire, you seem to be unclear on the meaning of the simple terms "defense" and "protection". It is not an act of defense to kill someone to get even or vent your rage after your loved one has been killed. Defense means...well...to DEFEND them from harm. Protect means...well...to PROTECT them from harm. Neither of those concepts comes into play after someone is already dead.
But, of course, you know that...because one can't get out of the fourth or fifth grade without learning the basic definitions of simple words like that. It's this kind of thing that makes so many people assume that you can't be serious. -
ACH:
I THINK you already asked me that, and I THINK I already answered. Let me be more clear tho.
I don't beleive in revenge or avenged behaivior especially not in killing someone. I think people have whats coming to them and thats up to the universe to supply it. I WOULD do my best to prevent something bad from happening. If that meant that I would have to harm someone to the point of death in order to protect those I love then yes. If my husband (which I dont have) killed my family members I would (as I said) leave it to law inforcement to handle. -
lotusb - You said:
If that meant that I would have to harm someone to the point of death in order to protect those I love then yes. If my husband (which I dont have) killed my family members I would (as I said) leave it to law inforcement to handle.
This part I'm addressing you said is somewhat confusing. You said you would harm someone to the point of death for a loved one, but then you say if your husband killed your family members you would leave it to the law? So who in this case is the loved one? It sounds like you don't love your own husband or confused on how to address your inner conscious about all this. -
LMAO!!!! Please tell me you never went to college...
As I stated I don't HAVE a husband... however hypotethically the reasons my reaction to this "husband" killing my family versus someone attacking a family member while I'm standing there is that one is a case of PREVENTION and one is a case of REVENGE.
If someone is holding a metal bat to the face of a loved one about to knock their block off I DONT CARE WHO THE ATTACKER IS (husband, lover, Obama) if it was within my power to stop them I would...even if that meant picking up a gun and shooting thier face off. PERIOD. However, if I came home to find family members killed at the hands of someone I know or even love (like this hypothetical husband) I would see NO POINT in then going out to find him and killing him. The deed is done... I would contact the authorities and have him arrested, tried and sentenced.
Do you understand that sweetie???
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Kids, the word of the day is: blindsided, let us look at the definition, shall we?
blind-side or blind·side (blndsd)
tr.v. blind-sid·ed or blind·sid·ed, blind-sid·ing or blind·sid·ing, blind-sides or blind·sides
1. To hit or attack on or from the blind side.
2. To catch or take unawares, especially with harmful or detrimental results: "The recent recession, with its wave of corporate cost-cutting, blind-sided many lawyers" (Aric Press).
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Deray28 - Hi other noun definition is:
2.The side away from which one is directing one's attention.
the side away "you/commenter"
"directing one's attention" - the comments of others disagreeing, which is swaying away from the original question and poster "AchEmpire & Would You Kill For Love" -
""directing one's attention" - the comments of others disagreeing, which is swaying away from the original question and poster "AchEmpire & Would You Kill For Love""
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Deray28 - But when one mentions I'm engaging in this or revenge or teenage thinking that is "swaying" others away from the original post "Would You Kill For Love" and "directing the attention" on the wrong meanings that I have nothing to do with.
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I think crpitt already said it for me, read her comment below...
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Did you say blindsided by the toast? Yes, yes I was ...
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@Ach: Mind telling me the source of your definition? My google gave this: www.thefreedictionary.com/blindside
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crazyTsu - Hi "Einstein" google the "Noun" definition not the "Verb" definition. I have no reason to post a fake definition. If want just go to dictionary's website that's where I got it from.
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Ah ... do you know what name-calling is?
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Ach, I'm curious about why you would be directing people to a "noun definition" when you used "blindside" and "blindsided" four times above, and in each case you used it as a verb. Assuming for the sake of argument that your "noun definition" is accurate, what does it have to do with this discussion, given that you've used the word consistently as a verb?
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Others have got the metaphor, of my true meaning = No one knows what the heck you are talking about.
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I think it could be a case of anything it takes to bump the thread up-- so ask follow-up questions of posters where the answer is already clear, just to force engagement...
Take different sides of a non-argument to get people to respond more...
The end result is either a big ploy for attention or a test to see how people react.
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Good summary and good idea
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ThriftShopRomantic - You said:
The end result is either a big ploy for attention or a test to see how people react.
I have no reasons to engage in such acts. Do you see me posting 24hrs a day? I post maybe once a month or whenever I can, to share discussions. Once again you are being "blindsided" by my true meaning of this post. -
crpitt - Take the post meaning of however you like, it's just a general discussion like my other past posts.
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Maybe it's time for another definition sub-thread in which someone explains "metaphor". Though given the complete failure of several people to convey the actual meaning of "blindside", it's probably futile to move on to a higher level.
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Cake or Death?
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Cake, please? can I have a glass of milk too?
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No and no
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what kind of cake? I'm not really that fond of cake but would willingly kill for a nice pumpkin bundt cake or maybe a carrot cake with cream cheese frosting.
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jajajajajaja
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I love to jajajajajajaja
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BC should have provided some option to kill threads !!!
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But, would you kill them out of love or revenge? jajajaja
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crawler - I'm not sure why you're so upset with me, but it's strange you said you would kill my thread. So you do have a inner mind of being "triggered" to act on such behavior.
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Well suuuuuuure he does because we all know that if you want to kill a thread then you must be insane and ready to commmit murder!
ps: just to save you some time ...
I said:
"Well suuuuuuure he does because we all know that if you want to kill a thread then you must be insane and ready to commmit murder!"
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Hi Deray ! In this case I would kill out of insanity *Looks around for the 'KILL' button*
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What you're asking is if I would kill someone for "stealing" the man I love.
Of course not. That is insane. Why would I do that? Obviously the two people wanted to be together, and my "love" didn't want to be with me and chose someone else. Good for them. That's much better than being with someone who doesn't love you back. Why would I want to be with someone who doesn't love me?
I might not be happy. But if I loved that person, I'd want HIM to be happy.
I doubt that killing either of them would do anyone much good.-
hatingtherain - Everyone has their own opinion of the meaning of this post, so you may proceed to think as you please. I never said anything about stealing anyone's man for love. I think you are allowing the other comments to "blindside" you on the true meaning of my orginal question.
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Then what exactly did you mean?
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hatingtherain - Exactly what the post says "Would You Kill For Love"?
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blindside?
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Ache, you're an obnoxious, close-minded, irritating gnat.
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hatingtherain - So sorry you feel that way about me, but "Life Does Go On" take a breather and go and watch "Unfaithful" sometime
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I think you need to quit starting discussions until you learn how to write English properly. Then you might be understood by other people.
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hatingtherain - It's ok to continue to "Vent" your way through this thread. I'm not trying to win some contest or become famous, so I could care less about how stuff comes across your mind. You're taking me too serious, but hey peace anyways.
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Ach, I think you mean "couldn't care less". "Could care less" would mean that you do, in fact, care how "stuff comes across her mind", and I'm pretty sure that is not what you meant to convey.
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I would think, Ache, that if you cared about your professional life,which seems to be important to you, that you would care how you came across to other people. This includes writing in a manner that makes sense. I suggest you take some time and learn how to write English properly.
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hatingtherain - My professional life has nothing to do with this, and my clients see another "April" you all are seeing AchEmpire who post topics to disuss about non-business related issues. If I wanted clients from all this I would post "Real Estate Articles" or address my business background more, but I have no reason to I'm satisfied.
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"and my clients see another "April" you all are seeing AchEmpire who post topics to disuss about non-business related issues."
So you seem to be admitting that in real life, you are capable of coherent thought and have a basic command of the English language...odd, since you have insisted in several other places in this thread that this was the real you and you weren't just messing with us. So which is it? Are you a rational professional person with an ability to communicate clearly in English and to think logically, or is what you're showing us here sincere? -
MadameX - How am I messing with you? I think once again you are taking me too serious.
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I think you mean "seriously". To put it as concisely as possible, I think that you are pretending to be a semi-literate nutjob to get a rise out of people here.
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MadameX - Think as you please, I can't change your mind about me.
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I plead the 5th-
CentricStudios - Interesting move.
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Absolutely not. For one, it is selfish, two, love is blind, three, they don't have everything I want if they are not even accessible. Four, you would definitely lose them if you killed to get them. Five, it may be that somebody else loves the one you kill as passionately as you love the one you love. Would it be okay if they killed you to get their love? It seems to fail in every direction, so I say no.-
morgantj - Interesting you're interpreting my post this way, but it cam be concluded by many ways.
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Obviously it can be concluded many ways. This is one of them.
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morgantj - But oppose it to your way of conclusion. You're speaking as if everyone thinks your conclusion is one of the many ways concluding from all this, it's not in my case.
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I have no idea what you are talking about now. You are not making sense.
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morgantj - Then we will just keep it as you concluding it your way and not assume everybody agrees, including me.
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morgantj - Interesting you're interpreting my post this way, but it cam be concluded by many ways.
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Obviously it can be concluded many ways. This is one of them.
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morgantj - But oppose it to your way of conclusion. You're speaking as if everyone thinks your conclusion is one of the many ways concluding from all this, it's not in my case.
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I have no idea what you are talking about now. You are not making sense.
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morgantj - Then we will just keep it as you concluding it your way and not assume everybody agrees, including me.
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I have concluded that this is 30 seconds of my life I can never get back.. I think you should seek professional help. -
AchEmpire, I didn't assume in anyway that people agree. I think you have lost it. As bettieblogger has said, you are now just waisting our time.
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bettieblogger - Hi thanks for your advice, but I'm doing fine, and don't need help. You all are taking my posts too seriously.
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morgantj - I have not lost it.
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AchEmpire,
Hello. I am certainly intrigued by your doggedness in this arena of persistent questions. Having said this, I believe you are dealing with civilized people here who, even when the right buttons are pressed, are not responding the way you wish.
Perhaps you have not worded your original inquiry in a correct format. Perhaps you are trying to enforce what you might do, what you might feel would be a normal and, dare I stand at the precipitous edge, by mentioning the words, sane response or objective?
Has someone done something to you? Do you think this might occur to you or to someone you care for? Are you looking to us to condone how you might react to a certain situation? Are you seeking permission or validation of your mental capacity for violence, perhaps?
I am just wondering as it is 1AM and this thread seemed to be one of concern.-
Theresa111 - Hi sorry this thread is confusing you. It was just a general discussion like the rest of my other threads I post. This post has nothing to do with me or anyone in general. I just wanted to start a general discussion, but thanks for asking anyways.
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Bimasava - ?
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hm interesting question, I think there is no sense to kill of love, every person has own mind and feelings, every person has own way, often we meet on the way and it's good, sometimes we just want to take different ride, but when you love someone "to death" - literally, and if it's genuine then all you want is that this person is free, otherwise you are just full of bullshit and you love no one else but yourself. I think the whole idea of love is to make each other feel good, thats what this world is about, the rest is just rising experience and so if there is someone who got everthing I want in a person and she's taken then it's her decision if she like to be taken or taken to be free, whatever it would be, I woudn't kill love, coz killing love I would kill myself, coz every freaking person is love and this world needs more love, coz without love there is only death ... nice question you AchEmpire cheers !-
songAday - Thanks! You made my day! Everyone basically is saying I'm psycho and need help for this post, but you see me different.
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Killing for love is a natural thing. It is the theme of many a book, poem, song and movie.
People kill for love of a lover - love of country - love of freedom - you name it
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