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Would You Use Gene Therapy To Change Your Unborn Child's Sexual Orientation?
Posted by Phoenix1962 • 12/03/08 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: change, child's, gene, orientation, sexual, therapy, to, unborn, use, would
If the Gay gene is discovered and you have the chance to us gene therapy to change the sexual orientation of your unborn fetus would you use it? Or if you could detect the orientation of your unborn fetus would you abort it?
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No, and I wouldn't even try to detect it. Doing so deprives the fetus of a single cell, which seems trivial when there are 2,048 cells, but after 10 days that's 512 cells the fetus doesn't have. I'm a bit weary about doing that, even if it doesn't have a large impact on the child.
After the point where the child will not experience hindered growth as a result of one cell's death, it's probably too late to abort.
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I see that the 3 of you looked. Don't be afraid to comment.
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Of course I looked. I continue to be entertained by all this.
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Is that really you in the pic Friday13?
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Yes, it is.
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Except he has a saturation greater than zero in his face.
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And my face isn't so naturally filtered.
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Well, I think you're cute. -
Really? Thank you
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Yah...the pic has a kind of brooding intensity to it that is...erm...attractive. (I'm an old married lady, I'm not supposed to notice pretty young men any more!)
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Heheheh, okay
(forget about the age/married thing and peek away
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Even if you assume away Voodoo's health concern by how the test is done, say via fluid, I wouldn't. I have three small kids now. My wife and I have bets on which one(s) we think are going to be gay. -
Here is some food for thought and Friday13 you look like a movie star in that pic.
www.geneticfutures.com/astronauts/info/sheet1.asp-
Thanks, I guess.
I looked at the article and, well, it's to be expected that those issues would arise with the discovery of a gay gene.
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lol okay now thats funny....@xmark
honestly I am beginning to think a lot of people in this community have hidden homosexual tendencies with the amount of time they want to keep spending on this topic-
I think SweetViolet already called it.
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The media talks about it all the time. Blacks were verbally attacked because of it.
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Oh yes, those poor federally protected blacks.
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@Robin
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//I am beginning to think a lot of people in this community have hidden homosexual tendencies with the amount of time they want to keep spending on this topic//
Is this for ppl who support homosexuals?
If it is directed against ppl like Phoenix1962, i consider this as a ploy used by FEW in forums to escape objective criticism. This is nothing but a cowardly attitude!! And don't come up with another SPONSORED research to prove your point.
I'm worried because 'all of a sudden' i see too many SPONSORED articles and photos of gay couples being flashed in almost every media in this part of the world. The timing and wide coverage force me to believe this as a covert propaganda. When they publish marriage photos of well known personalities either in supplementaries or inside pages, why do they publish big photos of unknown gay couple in FRONT page? Something is wrong somewhere...
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@voodooKobra
For a straight little boy you sure love jumping right in there.-
That's what she said. Also, I'm 19.
Anti-gay, racist, and ageist, too? You're the combo package of intolerant.
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I am not anti-gay nor am I racist.
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The way you talk about white people is very prejudiced. Racial prejudice = racist.
Also, I notice you didn't even to try deny being ageist.
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What fool in their right mind would be upset by being called young?
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Not young; little. I am most certainly not little. I'm 6'3", thank you very much.
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Um...so you admit to being ageist?
"what fool in their right mind would be upset by being called white?"
"what fool in their right mind would be upset by being called Jewish?"
"what fool in their right mind would be upset by being called gay?" -
@phx1962
Calling someone young is one thing; calling them immature is another. Please don't pretend you don't know the difference.
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White people (SOME) have not held back on the negative comment about Blacks about the Prop 8 debacle.
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Neither have some black people about whites. Your point?
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Friday13 said, "Thanks, I guess."
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Well, my goal (with the editing) was just to look less creepy
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English was not your strong suit in school, was it? Homophones in particular, huh?
Why am I not surprised?
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Do you mean homophobes? Is that what you want to say Sweat Violin?
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And you want us to believe you have a college degree???
Amazing!
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Black freedom will come and go as it always has.
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I would absolutely not change my child's sexual orientation, fetus or otherwise.
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No, I would not change who my child is now or in the future. Any parent who would change their child for such a stupid reason should be ashamed of themselves. I love my children unconditionally. This means if one is gay la di da. Not like I haven't had gay friends. I even had a roomate who was gay. To suggest changing my children irritates me.
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Wow! I think that's the sternist post I've ever seen you make!
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Certain things just trigger. Usually avoidance is my thing when it comes to my kids I love them the way they are.
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You and me both, lady!
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Change their sexual orientation? Nah.
On the other hand, if I had a fetus or two lying around and could engineer one to kick 50-yard field goals or throw a left-handed curveball, then absolutely.
Gay kids are fine. Straight kids are fine. But placekicker kids and lefty reliever kids?
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The real question is:
How many people would publicaly ADMIT to aborting or changing a child in utero because of homosexuality?-
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None!
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bingo.
a fair number of people would abort a child if they knew it was going to be gay.
all the hopeful positivity in the world isn't going to change that fact.
even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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LMAO @wherethehellwasi
No I would not mess with my kid's DNA for something as trivial as sexual orientation (or hair color or eye color, either). But if I could fiddle around with the genes so that they didn't capitalize the word Gay unless it started off a sentence, then yes, I definitely would.-
What people say they will do is actually different from what they will do behind closed doors.
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@TheRiverWanders
Pointing out others errors in writing in a forum is a sign of intellectual insecurity. -
@phx1962
Making repeated errors in writing in a forum is a sign of intellectual ineptness.
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That would depend on what society I was living in..
If i lived in a country or society where gays were commonly violently persecuted, jailed or worse. then Yes, I would. -
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TheRiverWanders said,
O YES!
He won!
I felt no need to be redundant until now.
It Should be written as, Oh Yes! Remember O is not a word it is a letter.-
Um, except that I didn't say you won. Just sayin'.
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@Phoenix: no, YOU are wrong...again. "O" is actually a word...it is an archaic form and its current use is primarily poetic. "I" is a letter, you know, but it is also a word.
You didn't answer my question about English, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that it was not one of your stronger subjects, along with logic, debate, reasoning, and critical thinking. What did you do well in? Name-calling?
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Just want to bump in a note even if its not within the topic of this thread.
I serve on UCI's Stem Cell PAC and I've helped raised over $100 million for the new research hall at the university thats within walking distance from the deaf center I run.
See the video of the ground breaking ceremony of the new research hall. Me , Beth, and Cameron from our deaf center was also there too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-_PMO1TnXk
I always support anything to make life better for people with disabilities even if the disability is discovered before birth.
But changing sex using biotech is a bit on the bizarro side, I'm sorry.
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Actually he's talking about changing sexual orientation, not gender, but your point is well taken.
What the OP fails to realize is that, for the past few decades, First World societies have been moving away from discrimination and bias against those who are not straight, white, male and Christian. By the time our technology is sufficiently mature to identify genetically-linked sexual orientation in a fetus small enough to be safely aborted, it is likely these societies will also be sufficiently sociologically mature that being gay will no longer be considered anomalous and, with the exception of certain religious fanatics (who are Anti-Choice and won't have abortions anyway), people will no longer have an issue regarding having gay children. So, based on extrapolation of recent and current social trends, his is a null argument.
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Changing disabilites is one thing, but if your child is going to be perfectly healthy why change anything about him/her?
In my mind this means that you either consider homosexuality the same as say, down syndrome, cerebral paulsey, or some other genetict defect OR you should not be a parent because you cannot love your child for who they were meant to be. Being a parent means you receive your child's unconditional love, is it just to say that you would not love him unless certain conditions are met?-
Being a parent is a personal matter and no one should dictate to another when it comes to family planning issues.
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I have never seen such a bunch of nasty people before. Oh yes I have, here in the BC forum. Some of you remind me of nasty little children who can not put their opinions in to coherent speech, so they lower themselves to being nasty because that is the only intellectual weapon they have available in their little undeveloped minds.
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With the exception of a little bit of snark - this thread is far from nasty.
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@Anok...I'm not feeding trolls today. How about you?
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Only in the AM today
I have decorations to put up.
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Anok
With the exception of a little bit of snark - this thread is far from nasty.
I did not think anyone would say yes in an open forum like this. I am referring to those who don't know how to behave like adults.-
I knew what you were referring to, and that's exactly what I responded to.
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The flower has probably withered by now. If you are hugged will you turn to dust?
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Phoenix1962, if you are going to start threads for the sake of propagating some sort of argument, please do not sink the level of insults. So far in your arguments you have accused me of being a homosexual, tried playing the race card when no slander or insinuation of race has been brought up, and now are leveling petty insults. Please refrain from acting like this, especially if you are going to call others childish.
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Is there something wrong with being a homosexual? I simply asked you the same question everyone has been asking me. Why who you find it offensive to be called a homosexual? it is amazing how people who say they are all for Gays get offended when someone asked them if they are Gay. Walk the talk my friend. Are you upset because the question came from a Black man?
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Ad hominem tu quoque. -
I was offended by the intent, not by being called a homosexual. You made a comment that was obviously offensive in it's intent and by that I was offended. Plainly put, I took the comment the way you intended it, as an insult.
Also, I don't care what race you are, but when you just randomly start saying people are being racist, when race was never even brought up, then I have a problem. It'd be like if I randomly stated something about my heritage and the trials and tribulations my people suffered when there was no mention of it what so ever.
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I don't want kids. Already too many people in this world. But, if I have to do it I would make sure they don't get the illnesses that run in the family i.e diabetes, depression, arthritis....(but then again....who am I to mess with other people's karma?)-
@CrisRo
You cannot smooth it over. You were offended at the idea that someone thought you were Gay. Why be offended, take it as a compliment and move on. I go to pride parades every year and every year the Gay fathers march proudly holding their banners in their hands.
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I mean I won't change the sexual orientation of anyone!
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@CC
I get what you're saying. If there was a way to prevent someone from having a debilitating disease, I might consider it. But I don't see homosexuality as a debilitating disease; if you're lucky enough to love and be loved back, go for it. Everything will work itself out after that.
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This only applies to the person that gets lost in the water:
Ad hominem tu quoque (lit: Also to you!) refers to a claim that the person making the argument has spoken or acted in a way inconsistent with the argument. In particular, if person A criticises the actions of person B, a tu quoque response is that A has acted in the same way. -
We had three boys first while in pursuit of having a girl. So now we have four children. Of course I have no regrets and I love them all the same. But my point is that perhaps the option may prevent more births then a couple really originally planned for. However, if used irresponsibly, it could have catastrophic results.-
Thank you for your honest opinion.
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I can't imagine having a dishonest opinion.
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Oops I misread that, I thought we were talking about being able to select the sex of an unborn child, not the unborns childs sexual orientation.
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Nope - I'll love mine for who they are. I don't want some genetically altered "perfected" person. Such a concept sounds rather third reich-ish to me.
Now, if you were talking about curing a disease that the fetus may have, sure - I'd be all for that - but I don't consider this something that needs "curing."-
It has been going on for years in planned parenting. If a couple wants a child of a specific sex they will terminate the pregnancy and try again until they have the sex (boy or girl) they are looking for.
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I'm aware such actions exist. That has not escaped my consciousness. I was answering the question "would I..." to which my answer remains no, despite what some others may be doing.
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Ever hear of the movie Gataca (or however you spell it)?
I wouldn't want to know the orientation of my child. I personally dont belive in the gay gene, but if there was one, I wouldn't care if my child were gay or straight. I would however want to know if my child would suffer any major mental problems (like down syndrome) ONLY so I can be prepared, I would never abort a child based on how they might turn out later.-
Thank for your comment.
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[I would never abort a child based on how they might turn out later.]
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Voodoo, I wouldn't have aborted for sexual orientation but I would have for serious medical conditions. My wife and I had three kids and we tested each of the fetuses for whatever genetic conditions they had. Most of the genetic conditions would have left us to simply prepare. Others we would have aborted for. Careful with categorizations of most/many based on your own feelings. Reality tends to be somewhere in the middle.
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I was assuming for sexual orientation. Bah!
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Sorry, I missed that. I would tend to agree but there a lot of real nut jobs when it comes to homosexuals.
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Trudat!
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Since homosexuality is not a defect I would of course not abort the child.
Nor would I abort a child for a defect of any kind. If I somehow found out, I could prepare mentally and learn as much as I could about the child's needs.
Would you have liked your parents to change your genes? Or aborted you for something that THEY feared?
And has anyone noticed this question is only about homosexuals. Since most male homophobes respond with heightened arousal to pictures of naked men, (University of Georgia, 1980, 1992), one who is a homophobic might see this as a good thing, to remove all that temptation and frustration from their lives.
Henry E. Adams, Lester W. Wright, Jr., and Bethany A. Lohr
University of Georgia (1996) Journal of APA
"The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980).
The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed
an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992 ). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in
aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."-
[Since most male homophobes respond with heightened arousal to pictures of naked men, (University of Georgia, 1980, 1992), one who is a homophobic might see this as a good thing, to remove all that temptation and frustration from their lives.]
Is that... a citation? Holy crap.
"Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."
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@truthandlove
It is just a question that exams the possibilities of what could happen if scientist were to discover a gay gene. The topic was even explored in an HBO movie staring the Flash Dance babe and Morton Downy Jr. Stop being so hetrophobic. Everything is not anti-gay. -
LOL, I am not heterophobic, because "some of best best friends are heterosexual." roflamo. And I have raised two teenage sons that are heterosexuals.
I never would have thought to abort them for any reason, even being heterosexual!
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Absolutely not! My son is 13 and is every part of me that I love....Fortunately he's also every part of my ex husband that I love. I didn't need gene therapy to raise my son. I could go on ...but I'm restraining myself:) -
Good morning all!
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Phoenix 1962 privately shouted me with: I don't have much respect for people like you so don't bother trolling into another thread I post. TY
My response is: Who died and made you boss of BC? You don't own the threads and I'll post what I want, where I want, just like everybody else.-
Are you serious? That's harassment.
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Dead serious. That is a direct quote and I have kept it in my Shoutbox. Of course, since he marked it "private" you can't see it, but Admin can.
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Yes, you should. Not only is it harassment, it's cowardice.
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SweetViolet wrote:
//And you want us to believe you have a college degree???//
//@Anok...I'm not feeding trolls today. "How about you?"//
and Phoenix1962 responded with (pvt shout):
//I don't have much respect for people like you so don't bother trolling into another thread I post//
I think both are at fault here. Both SweetViolet & Phoenix1962 suggested someone else not to post in a PUBLIC forum.
Friends, don't take things too personal. Fight for the cause rather than indulging in a personal attack.
Kindly go through the following posted by 'thegoodknife' in another thread:
"please we don't need to insult each other to discuss this topic.
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Besides, there's no need to tell Phoenix not to post his hateful bile here. Eventually he'll shame himself into never posting here again. It's just a matter of time.
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KMBBA!
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Kimonos Make Beautiful Bridal Attire?
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@Friday13
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@voodooKobra
Homophobia is a made up word originating with slang. The word does not fit into the A.P.A.'s www.apa.org/ definition of phobia's. You might as well call people who hate Blacks Afriphobic.-
Is that your last defense?
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well i dont know.. because i wanna read more into it haha i know its just a question,. but ive heard like by changing gense you can cause serious damage in other others.. but i dont think i would chose the sex orintation.. maybe if my child was very ill then maybe.. cause i wouldnt want it to be harmed during the birthing process
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