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keyword density defined
Posted by ladynada • 9/20/07 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS]
Topics: keyword density, keywords, meta element, meta tag, SEO
I have a totally different definition of keyword density, and have taken a lot of flak from all the experts about, saying that my definition is wrong and is seo disinformation. yet, not one would actually discuss the issues. Maybe this discussion area will be a place where we can actually talk about the definition of keyword density.
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I need to go slow on this because I have written about seven blog articles on this issue.
I usually use the ole beef vegetable stew analogy to try to make the definition of keyword density more clear.
But, before I express my dissenting opinion, perhaps it would be better to review the industry standard definition of keyword density.
the ratio of the number of occurrences of a particular keyword or phrase to the total number of words in a page.
I propose that this definition is 100% wrong, and that it is IDIOTIC.
And I don't say that flippantly, because I am looking for a breakthrough in SEO worldwide that will allow more people to connect to people and build internet communities. I feel that this definition of keyword density is one of the major blocks to blog and forum content getting higher SERP in search engines.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at at all. "Density" has a technical, scientific definition, and it's common usage is consistent with that definition. "Keyword density" is measurable using that definition. You may disagree about the effectiveness of keyword density measurement and planning as an SEO technique, but I'm not sure how you can quibble with the meaning of a word. -
The ratio of whether the keywords in your meta keyword element appears on your html page at least once. The goal is 100% - meaning each keyword must appear at least once on your page, and there is absolutely, I REPEAT, absolutely, NO NEED to repeat any of the keywords more than once. The whole point is, tell the search engine robot what is on your page and let the robot discover that what you promised is 100% true. The exact same goes for description.
I have proven results too, which I will get into with examples. but first lets hash out this definition. dont just tell me I am wrong because everyone says I am wrong. I want some substance!
I will also tell you why the standard definition is idiotic.
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But that's not what density means. You may think that using a keyword once on a page is the best search engine optimization strategy, but you can't redefine a real word like "density". It's not just a term someone made up to describe an SEO tactic--it's a clearly defined scientific concept.
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Keyword density is: The ratio of the number of occurrences of a particular keyword or phrase to the total number of words in a page. Now whether you agree that it is important is another matter completely. You can not disagree with the defenition. It is what it is.
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www.neo.state.ne.us/statshtml/glossaryd.htm defines density as: "The mass of a unit volume of a substance."
Keyword density is just that. How many times the KW is on the page. Aside from the fact that the practice is true, the definition is correct by default due to the meaning of the words that are used in the phrase.
Go Google "Nicest Blokes in SEO" or just go here: www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nicest+blokes+in+seo&ie=UTF-8&...
The proper term for explaining text to phrase ratio is correct, it's called keyword density.
What you are talking about is not the same thing.
@Andy - I caught that too, haha
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Effectively you are just saying that you should ignore keyword density and just fill a page up with LSI related terms.
That might make sense, but you will probably find that when you search for "keyword density" in Google, the keyword density for the first page of results doesn't seem to really make a difference.
I am in the camp that LSI matters, and good authority content tends to rank better (for me) than short articles, and my content gets even longer with lots of comments.
Good content tends to gain more links, you gradually build your topical authority with both internal and external linking.
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density
1. the state or quality of being dense; compactness; closely set or crowded condition.
hmmm...
take a list of 10 keywords
take an html page
if each word is on the page at least once, then
you have 100% density
if you only have five, then it is 50%
so, thats less crowded with keywords
but the world agrees that how many TIMES, one word, is mentioned on the page, is how crowded the page is, with that ONE WORD, of course
seems dumb to me
of course the word has to be on the page once, thats a given
I am saying that keywords and related terms, announced in the meta field, and on the page, is the key to high serp.
the accepted defintion leads to negative seo
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excerpt from my blog post on September 18, 2007
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I will give you an easy example on keyword density, AGAIN. The wrong definition of keyword density is so ingrained into people as to cause fear to overwhelm them and their hands to clench into fists whenever someone contests their beloved doctrine. They believe that keyword density is how many times one word appears on an html page. The truth is, the page is a beef and vegetable stew. Your keywords in your meta keyword element in the header is your PROPOSED RECIPE. You are telling google, which is a computer coded robot, that you have the following items in your beef and vegetable stew. When the robot compares the items listed in your recipe to its taste of your stew, your html page, and finds that you indeed have included all the ingredients, then the google robot says, this page has 100% keyword density, and is a good stew. Next, the robot asks, do they have the kind of ingredients that go well together? RELATED TERMS. If your page has words that are known to be related to the keywords, then the robot says, this page has high page relevancy to keywords. Your page will rank very high for SERP for searches on those keywords.
Now, look at the wrong definition again. The wrong definition says that keyword density is how many pieces of beef you have in the stew. They teach that you must find some magic number of pieces of beef to put into your stew, not too many and not too little. Meanwhile, believing this nonsense, affects how you write. Instead of sharing your self in your public diary, your blog, you are persuaded to change what you want to say, to please the Google God and sell books for amazon. You end up making your content terrible because you consciously try to put the perfect amount of beef into your stew, and you realize you do not know, and indeed, no one on earth knows, how many pieces of beef to put in their stew. It is so STUPID and we have been had. You did not bother to put the right vegetables with your beef, so that your stew tastes good.
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motheronearth.com/members/blogdinonews/index.php/2007/09/18/83/
Post2Blog an EXCELLENT blog editor for SEO
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Earlier today after my comment I went to take a nap and came up with another analogy.
I am not changing the 'scientific' definition of density. What is important is to ask which item's density is most important to getting a high serp? Take for example a public swimming pool. We are not so much concerned with the Density of Chlorine in the pool, so long as there is enough in case someone pe*s in the pool...
We are more concerned with the Density of people in the pool. And the lifeguard makes this density measurement his priority. Because if the 'crowdedness' of 'people' in the pool is too high, then he will need a second life guard to watch the people more properly.
now, have a concerned Mother come to the pool and ask the lifeguard, "Where is my Johnny?". The lifeguard, familiar with the neighborhood kids, says, well Ma'am I saw one of his buddies at the left near end of the pool a moment ago. So they both look, and the Mother sees another of her son's friends, and another, and then she sees her child.
Now for definitions. The SEO world says, the most important 'KIND" of density to maintain is how many Johnny's are in the pool. The Mother needs to find ONLY ONE.
My kind of density to watch is concerned with, are Johnny's friends in the pool, along WITH Johnny? If yes, then a searcher will find exactly what they are looking for. As a matter of fact, this analogy does stretch to explain the case where there are other children named Johnny in the pool. Of course they are NOT what the Mom wants. So, the fact that his friends are there, makes the chances HIGHER that HER SON is in that pool, and not in another neighborhood pool down the street.
I hope this analogy and the one on the recipe and beef & vegetable stew help people understand what I mean by seeking 100% keyword density. I am not changing the definition of the word density, but focusing on the correct item whose density in your html page is most important; that item is your entire keyword list.
nada
sometimes you gotta be a rebel -
Why would it matter which kind of density the SEO experts promote?
There are many reasons why it matters. One is, their definition leads people to make their keyword list first, and then try to 'count' how many times they use each word in their writings, _AND_ try to be sure they make up a sensible sentence so that each word is used. The result is poor writings, contrived writings, and likely less related terms, and hence negative seo.
My kind of keyword density causes people to write their writing first, un-encumbered, free and honest, and THEN make a keyword list of words that they actually already used. Automagically they have 100% keyword density, and the robot sees that, and the usual related terms that people use when they talk about that subject, and will grab your page higher in SERP before the other case.
Another reason this definition matters, is that most of the public-free blogging platforms do NOT even provide a meta keyword element in the header, and so most blogs worldwide are relegated to the back pages of SERP. If more people knew about this, they would seek plugin and addon solutions that insert the meta keyword element into their blog pages.
Those are just two reasons why the wrong definition of keyword density has hurt seo for blogs and forums worldwide.
here is another quick reason: 100% keyword density levels the playing field! Your page can rank higher in SERP even though the date of your page is younger, your google rank is lower, your alexa rank is lower, than another page that is older and has higher ranks, but uses the wrong keyword density model!
I proved this over and over. One example I gave was for an internet radio show, I blogged about my 9 minute call in, and within hours my blog entry ranked right after the show's main page and before all the pages of all the websites that have been associated with that program FOR YEARS!
btw I am not tooting my horn, the Lord helped me program my first 100% keyword density Mod for the SMF forum software, which also raised my google rank from zero to 4 very quickly. And my blog entries get high, usually first page serp, yet my blog url has no google rank.
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I usually just look in the log stats for an example, and the first one I checked, I have position NUMBER ONE in SERP.
Goto:
www.google.ca/webhp?hl=en
enter for search:
news meteor disease
My NEW (weeks old) MU BLOG!? has Number One Serp
motheronearth.com/members/blogdinonews/index.php/2007/09/19/91/
This is possible for all my MU members too. Please look at the source and check the meta name description field (done by the header.php code in the theme) and the meta name keyword field done by my customizations to the autometa plugin (heavily hacked to work with simpletagging).
Also, for index, archive, search, category, and tag pages the header code makes a meta keyword field, which normally wordpress does NOT make.
so how.. if what I said is not true about keyword density, could I get numero uno for a popular and recent news event such as the meteor in peru and the mystery disease? the reason, is the 100% density and the related terms.
hope this example helps break the brain control in the seo industry (which is HARD TO DO !!! )
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Another example, so you can see what I have been seeing, which convinced me, and made me so adamant on this point.
www.google.com/webhp?hl=en
terms:
paul gilmor death conspiracy
I realize now the person spelled gilmor wrong, but I got spot number SIX on page one, which is huge when you think about all the conspiracy sites worldwide or even just in the USA and my lil young blog is not focused on the conspiracy topic.
you will not understand as well, unless you look at the source and see what kinds of things my program puts into the meta keyword field. plus signs, apostrophe's, whole web urls! !!!
notice the big words too, that is by design... also if you check more of my pages there or on my elijah blog or forum you will see almost whole sentences at the beginning of the list, that is also by design
Someone, someday will make a lot of money off of this, and I released my first source code on my forum. I took a lot of flak from people on the SMF forum support site, they all agreed 100% that I was wrong. SPHINN all said I was wrong. DIGG ignored me. So I gave up on trying to help.
I hope others will break the mold and get the good SERP I am getting.
nada
p.s. please reread my opening statement for this discussion, my intent is for more people to connect.
and if you want to read a MAN who knows high math explain it ( * sigh * )
irthoughts.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/keyword-density-kd-revisiting-an-seo-my...
wow! (notice who is making money off the lie?) -
Andy,
I could not break into high serp on lsi searches but I did write an article on it back on July 29, 2007.
heartdaughter.com/blogs/elijah/index.php/2007/07/29/350/
My SEO Keyword Density Program is Latent Semantic Indexing FRIENDLY
nada
p.s. if you add keyword to the search for Latent Semantic Indexing, I get spot # 27 in SERP -
at the risk of information overload, because I can go on and on and on, about this subject... I have been trying to coin a new seo term:
page relevancy to site density
this is huge for high serp
nada
p.s. some may have noticed some Christianese terms in my keyword meta list, the words ARE on the html page, and they appear in the list on purpose, because they are in an array of Christianese terms that are often on my sites. Including them in articles in which they appear, but are principally about other subjects, raises my page relevancy to site density, which in turn helps my SERP location. if you do not understand this, PLEASE ASK ME. -
okay I couldn't resist this one.. don't be mad.
www.google.com/webhp?hl=en
search for:
Page Relevancy
I have page one, spot number seven
and not for this page I will quote here:
heartdaughter.com/blogs/elijah/index.php/2007/07/02/224/
Keyword Density is key to SEO - Revisited
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Next, you will want to look at the number of keyword hits compared to the content of your entire website. This measure reveals how efficient your website is in keeping to one theme. Search engines want to send their customers to sites that, not only have the search term on the page, but also have a site that is relevant to that page. Maybe we should coin a new SEO term: PAGE RELEVANCY.
Definition of Page Relevancy.
The number of multiple hits from the keywords on one page on your site, when searched for on all pages on your site. Here is a simple example. My site is about God and Jesus. If Jesus is a keyword on one page, then high page relevancy is determined by how many times the term Jesus is found over all the pages on my site. Would not the result be an indication of whether someone searching for Jesus would find Him on my site? (grin).
So this is page relevancy to site density.
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somebody create another topic so I don't look all greedy and whatnot!
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quote from moi (me in french)
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The SEO experts have been teaching us the WRONG definition of keyword density. The ultimate key to SEO is letting the search engine robots know, what is on your html PAGE, and how that page RELATES to your entire WEBSITE. Your content is a secondary issue. If anyone in the whole wide world is interested in your content, then you need to let the search engines know what you have, and THEN people will FIND YOU.
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I haven't got time immediately to read it all and give you a good discussion on this.
But doesn't your page relevancy to site density = topical authority?
Topical authority however doesn't just relate to on page factors
You keep on referring to meta keywords, but they don't really matter
searchengineland.com/070905-194221.php
I wouldn't look on "page relevancy" as a highly competitive term, only 209 reported pages with allintitle
www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=allintitle%3A%22page+relevancy%22&bt... -
www.neo.state.ne.us/statshtml/glossaryd.htm defines density as: "The mass of a unit volume of a substance."
Keyword density is just that. How many times the KW is on the page. Aside from the fact that the practice is true, the definition is correct by default due to the meaning of the words that are used in the phrase.
Go Google "Nicest Blokes in SEO" or just go here: www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=nicest+blokes+in+seo&ie=UTF-8&...
The proper term for explaining text to phrase ratio is correct, it's called keyword density.
What you are talking about is not the same thing.
@Andy - I caught that too, haha -
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damn; this is all making my head hurt real bad. Rather than read this kinda banter, I think I would rather be "writing" great content - with appropriate keywords relating to my topics (on California Camping trips - which is MY specialty & passion & expertise). And ultimately what I came to the web to do 12 years ago!!
DanaMite
Total Escape - California, Off the Beaten Path
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also how much the competition is rated in search results will affect your keyword results
also if you put your jeywords in bold or in h1, h2 h3 tags etc
with blogs it is also different that static html pages anyway, due to the dynamic content and other stuff such as widgets affecting the overall content rating..
its a trial and error matter and you have to do seaches regularly to test how your pages are doing.
Using google webmaster tools and checking your search results with google webmaster tools and google rankings will help you to discern.. when choosing keywords you dont have to do it based on what your post content turned out to be.. try doing searches using different keywords to see how many words get results from pages you coulnd never compete with and how many give rersults showing weak pages.. for example i have a page about "Ruesi" which has 3 different common spellings on the www (ruesi, lersi and rishi) I chose ruesi because hardly anyone was using it and i had good chance of getting it.. after this i made my pages and also went to many forums where this topic was talked about and posted using my spelling.. i made convincing academic reports about this topic using my spelling and generated a viral effect causing the other readers to use my spelling in their posts on the topic in other places.. this made my spelling become the most widely used spelling.
Now i rule on this topic on the www -
another example is with my site www.sak-yant.com
sak yant was once spelt sakyan.. now i affected the whole world to spell it as sak yant by explaining that this thai word actually has a t on the end which is silent and not pronounced.. the effecdt was viral and now if you write sakyant, sak yant i get number one placement
for the word sakyanb i also get mostly number one because i made a blog with blogspot in spanish using the word sakyan and linked it to my main site...
so i win with all 3 keywords also with "thai temple tattoos" khmer temple tattoos" and "temple tattoos"
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