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Democrats Slipping across the board
Posted by csiunatc • 9/23/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: polling numbers
Seems that the bloom is off for democrats in general.
"The new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 42% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 38% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent."
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_co...
"Fifty-nine percent (59%) of U.S. voters believe that the current level of political anger in the country is higher than it was when George W. Bush was president. "
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september...
And in Other polls from Rasmussen
"2010 North Carolina Senate: GOP’s Burr Tops Foes by 10 Or More"
"Ayotte Leads Hodes 46% to 38% in 2010 New Hampshire Senate Match-Up"
"Nevada Senate Race, Harry Reid Trails Republican Challengers in 2010 Election"
"2010 Colorado Senate: Norton (gop) 45%, Bennet (dem) 36%"
"Connecticut's (DEM) Dodd Trails Potential GOP Foe by 10"
"New Jersey Governor: Christie (GOP) 48%, Corzine (DEM) 41%"
If this holds, 2010 looks to be a great year. 
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Well, if Rassmussen says so, it must be the case!
hahahaha! i love the absurd tabloid quality of the reports, like "75% of adults now say Americans are becoming ruder and less civilized."
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/septemb...
Which includesthe source of the 12% who blame Wilson's lack of civility:
"Referring to Wilson’s comment and other criticism of Obama’s health care plan, some Democrats, including former president Jimmy Carter, have suggested that racism was their motivation. But just 12% of voters believe that most opponents of the president’s plan are racist."
So the other 88% attribute it to the growing devolution of the human race into "it's rude state"?
now the truth comes out
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"Perhaps due to Wilson’s inclusion in the question, there’s a rare partisan divide here. Republicans and those not affiliated with either major political party are evenly divided on the question. Democrats, on the other hand, by 12 points say rude conduct by public figures leads to more such behavior by Americans."
Since no societal change is immediate. I guess we can thank the Democrats for the current decline then. Considering their booing on the '05 State of the Union I mean. At least they admit it, even though if that was included I doubt we would get the same answer.. -
@Agit8r:
Even the layout of their site has a tabloid-like character to it.
That said, in these economic tough times, I would expect there to be some serious challenges to incumbents. Some voters are fickle. So while Rasmussen's data is almost always biased towards the GOP, it is still capturing some sort of real trend. -
Those democrats were acting descriminatingly against the first retarded president?
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Aprops that, I caught a piece of "Fresh Air" on the radio yesterday, where a speech writer was talking about how they were writing speeches for Bush meant to inform Bush, not communicate with the people Bush was reading too. Dunno if that makes Bush stupid, but my goodness.
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Here's a transcript: www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=113055346
Or you can listen here: www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13&prgDate=9-22-2009 -
it makes him a puppet
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Clio
"So while Rasmussen's data is almost always biased towards the GOP,"
Yeah, that's why they had Obama as the winner with less variation than the rest...
"A Fordham University professor rated the national pollsters on their record in Election 2008. We also have provided a summary of our results for your review. In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased with the stability of our results. On every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign, our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead attracting more than 50% of the vote."
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily...
Damn those facts, they just don't sit well when one wants emotion to rule. -
You just cited Rasmussen in support of Rasmussen.
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Yes I did, this would be a problem if you could come up with anything that disproves what I posted.
You know, both people and companies can tell the truth about themselves too?
Now of course, if you can find something that disproves what Rasmussen writes, then please provide it and I'll be happy to discuss that too.
I'll be waiting. -
True enough, they can.
What stuck out in my mind in that section of the piece was their emphasis on the "stability" of their results. What makes that a good thing? Was public opinion really that stable? What about all those so-called undecideds that the media of all stripes emphasized?
I'm also struck by their emphasis on the final poll and the last six weeks. They've picked the points where they look best.
Right now I can only go on my memory, but their results in comparison to the others really stuck out last year. Maybe that historical data is still available on Real Clear Politics, but I can't find it. But it is true. They got it right on the eve of the election. That doesn't say they got it right all the time, but it doesn't mean they didn't either.
In case anyone's interested, here's the summary that that the Rasmussen piece cites without actually naming the scholar in question, Costas Panagopoulos:
www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campai...
Again, it is about the accuracy of the final results, not their overall performance over the course of the long campaign. -
I have no opinion on Rasmussen's right-ward leaning but using only one of the many thousands of survey's they have done as proof doesn't really hold water. Citing a couple more won't do it either. Someone would have to go through and analyze a significant percentage of their survey's vs other survey companies. Leaning would not only be in the accuracy of the surveys in total but in the types of questions they asked. In addition one would have to review the types of survey's that they did that many other survey companies didn't do.
Coming with support that they either are or are not leaning would be a fairly major project. -
This is pretty interesting from Yahoo Answers...
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080727212559AAUBTzQ
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Interesting, I wanted to use Real Clear Politics to get some comparisons, but in some races Rasmussen is all there is at present: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latestpolls/latest_election_polls.html
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Makes commercial sense to target races that don't have other polls.
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So let's look at Gallup..
Americans More Likely to Say Government Doing Too Much
New Gallup data show that 57% of Americans say the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to businesses and individuals, and 45% say there is too much government regulation of business. Both reflect the highest such readings in more than a decade.
www.gallup.com/poll/123101/Americans-Likely-Say-Government-Doing-Too-Much.a...
Barack Obama Presidential Job Approval
Barack Obama's Most Recent Weekly Approval Rating Average 52$
Average for Elected Presidents' Third Quarter: 64%
www.gallup.com/poll/116479/Barack-Obama-Presidential-Job-Approval.aspx
Looks like BO is turning out to be one of the least popular presidents, He's gone downhill faster than almost anyone. Narrowly beating out Clinton (50%) for worst approval rating in third term, and tying Reagan at 52%
I'd say that the numbers are good pretty much across the board if you look at the respectable polling companies. (unless you're a democrat of course)-
I agree with the first sentence of your last paragraph.
The first sentence of your second-to-last paragraph, however, does not follow from the second one in that same paragraph. High rate of slippage ≠ "one of the least popular." -
Oh, and when I agree with the first sentence of the last paragraph, I am reading "good" as "reasonably consistent." Obviously I do not find the slippage good.
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No, high rate of slippage does not mean one of the least popular, Being tied for the second lowest rating in third quarter does.
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How? He's been president for a few days more than nine months. You've already taken a reading on the next 3.25 years?
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He is comparing the same time period for each of the recent presidents.
Here is an interesting related link
www.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-...
It shows average approval in first term vs. second term:
President Term 1 Term 2 High Low
Bush 62.2 36.5 90 25
Clinton 49.6 60.6 73 37
Reagan 50.3 55.3 68 35
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Very good Xmarks, Only the link i provided only compares the first term third quarter.
Barack Obama's Most Recent Weekly Approval Rating Average 52$
Average for Elected Presidents' Third Quarter: 64%
www.gallup.com/poll/116479/Barack-Obama-Presidential-Job-Approval.aspx -
I know what he is comparing, xmarks, but I also read the phrase, "turning out to be one of the least popular presidents," hyperbolic language that presumably encompasses entire presidencies, including the one Obama hasn't even come close to having yet.
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I did no such thing, he is turning out to be according to what the numbers are right now.
You seem to be the one that extrapolate the future.
Facts have a factual bias. -
I agree clio, he has not come close to having a full presidency. But it has been productive so far. I mean look at all the chaos and damage he has done in just mere months...
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I wish he had been productive. What have we got so far? Some stimulus money? No climate and energy bill, no health care reform, and no reform of the financial regulatory system. All three of those need to happen ASAP, and there are no signs of any of them happening, except maybe a modest health care bill.
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csi: I was agreeing with you on the numbers. Then I added some additional data.
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Yes i know, I'm sorry for not being clearer, My reason for re-posting the original numbers were that Clio seemed to have missed, or not understood them.
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