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Is This The Change You Voted For With obama
Posted by wares4life • 5/31/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: obama flip-flops, obama lies, obama promises, unemployed
I'm really getting sick and tired of all this obama stuff. Recently, I made a post about there not being any jobs where I live.
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Please post your feelings whether good or bad.
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And I'm getting sick and tired of Obama/change threads (www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/search/thread/obama+change). Not that that's your problem, mind you. -
I keep my change in a jar on my dresser... -
Dammit! It IS the president's job to "create jobs" where you live!! How dare he slack off on this!-
If he does, do I still get to keep my change in the jar on my dresser? I am worried about this.
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as long as you don't put in in a bank. lol
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Yay!
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you might hide it in your sock drawer... just in case
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That is where I keep all my "right wing nutjob fruitloop talking points lists" - (this according to an unnamed source who blogs here)
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then your sock drawer is a bad place for your change jar... Might fall under DHS forfeiture
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I suppose I'm disappointed with Obama, but then again, he only garnered my vote because I viewed him as the lesser of two evils. -
I agree with a lot of what Obama has done or is doing. We need to get out of Iraq and focus on Afghanistan and that is what he's doing. We need to restore our standing in world affairs and he is working towards achieving that goal. He removed the ban of funding for embryonic stem cell research. He's putting more money into R&D for alternative fuel technologies. He's working towards making health care insurance more affordable. We'll have to wait and see what congress comes up with on that.
As far as all the bailouts, that is a reaction to the economic disaster he inherited. I don't like it, but most economists agree it is in the best interest of our country.-
Ditto.
He's quickly tackling many of the items that were outlined in his campaign while still dealing with economic problems inherited when he took office. The economic turnaround is going to take time. -
And his wife buys nice sneakers.
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Be fair anti, the 12 year old kids who made those sneakers owe their jobs to the stimulus plan. -
Oops, my bad.
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government sucks. thats my philosophy-
Grab your weapons! every man for himself!
actually it is CORRUPT government that sucks
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I'm no fan of Obama by any means, but vanishing jobs can't be put just on him.
The blame belongs with the previous administration and both parties.
The issue with Obama is his administration will only make the situation worse. A bandage may be applied giving the temporary illusion of recovery, but that bandage will be ripped of in a very painful way.-
In a way, I agree with you.
With regards to the bandage - yes, that is what the economic recovery plan is. Hopefully it will give us enough time to find a more sustainable solution to our economic problems. Like a turnequete (sp?), once you stop the bleeding, you can get to work on the healing and recovery aspect. But you can't do anything if you're just hemroging all over y ourself.
(I can't spell today, and I'm too lazy to edit
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The bandage that this fool has tried to apply hasn't made any impact at all. Banks still won't lend, jobs are being lost with every company dissolving and all the spending for recovery has led to nothing but "pipe-dreams".
Where is even a start at the "5 million jobs" that were to be created? The only thing that got this man elected to this office was the "celebrity of his talking points". -
You need to start looking at the causes, here. The money was lent as promised to the banks to encourage lending. Yet the banks aren't lending. Who is to blame for that?
The banks. They are, after all,in charge of their own lending practices, not the government.
The money was lent as promised to prevent more job losses, and encourage job creation in already existing companies. yet the jobs aren't being created. Who's fault is that?
The companies. They are, after all, in charge of their hiring practices, not the government.
The money was lent, as promised to individual states to bolster state economies, and create infrastructure jobs, as well as bolster much needed state programs, and increase the length of unemployment benefits. Yet, you claim there are no jobs, and no money. Who is to blame for that?
If you live in one of the states that rejected the bailout money, you can thank you're governor and other state government officials for the lack of jobs and money. If not, you must look to your local state budgeting policies and/or the contracts which the state used the money to hire. If they are not hiring, or are hiring out of state, you can thank them for your lack of a job.
The money has been allocated to create new jobs in new industries, particularly that in the industry of alternative energy. It has been allocated, but nothing has been started yet. Why?
You can blame time, and partisan bickering for that one. Job and industry creation takes time, and cooperation. Time comes on it's own, but cooperation is something that we are not seeing on the Hill.
So there you have it. Now you know.
If your bank isn't lending, it's not because the government told them not to. It's because the bank has chosen to use that money for their own profit, rather than stimulation of the economy. -
I assume you're talking about the debt we're accumulating. The only way to pay down the debt is by increasing taxes, which right-wingers will never support, but sometimes you just have to do what's best for the country.
The temporary Bush tax cuts need to be allowed to expire and perhaps there need to be some tax increases on the uber-wealthy. After all, they're the ones who profited from the policies that resulted in the doubling of the national debt. -
You can decrease a deficit by not spending all this money also!!! Giving more money to the government as you can see does nothing.
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"an overgrown estate...is a luxury at all times, and, as such, is the proper object of taxation"--Thomas Paine
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Fast approaching double-digit unemployment not seen since the early Reagan years and all the stagnation is a mess. Meanwhile, this monster is shamefully calling the US to blame for the world's ills overseas.
2010 needs to get here fast so this country can be put back on track by starting with rebuilding the congress.
The honeymoon is over for obama.-
so.... was the Reagan honeymoon over in '83 ???
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Monster?
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Obama is to blame for that unemployment after less than five months in office? That makes no sense. Your characterization of his overseas policy is sadly misinformed as well. Taking responsibility for our actions is not the same thing as blaming the US for all the world's ills.
And what "stagnation" are you referring to and calling a "mess"? What would be your version of "good" or "orderly" stagnation?
Probably not for you to declare a "honeymoon" over, since your "monster" rhetoric clearly indicates that you never have given the guy or his policies a chance in the first place.
Just more apocalyptic hysteria. Just what these boards needed more of. -
Obama blew an awesome opportunity to reach out to all the Muslims that we have helped in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq, etc... Agree with the Iraq war or not, we brought democracy to that country and liberated the Iraqis from a cruel and tyrannical despot. He could have shone a positive light on our aid to Muslims instead of just saying again how bad America is. His four years studying the Saul Alinsky teachings made a huge impact on how he handles himself.
As far as the economic impact Obama will be responsible for, it has yet to be felt upon America. It will come though, you cannot spend and spend and spend money you don't have without it coming back to haunt you. Unfortunately it will be the average American that it hurts, not him personally. -
would you call Iraq a free country?
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Of what value is democracy to the hundreds of thousands who are dead? What about those who have lost their homes and security? And shouldn't you place that liberation in the context of strengthening Iran exponentially and therefore making the world more dangerous? I could go on, but I'm tired of playing this game with unreconstructed neocons. "But we gave them freedom" will not explain away everything, nor does it accomplish any great diplomatic feats, increase our security, etc. It's just an apology for a failed policy and worldview, nothing more.
(Oh, and as far as the economy goes, it makes for strange reading to read a defense of someone's statements about the past based on your predictions of the future.)
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Iraq NOW has a roughly simular degree of protection of person and property that Mexico has. And it is just as prostrate before corporate monstrosities.
Excellent work Bushy
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@Agit8r, I would say that Iraq is a far better place to live now that Iraqis have a say in their destiny and are not under the rule of a megalomaniac.
@mark, I am not a "neocon" unreconstructed or otherwise. You can't have it both ways, Obama goes over and apologizes for America and you say its okay. But to say that liberating a country is an apology for war makes no sense. The fact remains, whether you libs like it or not, America is A. the greatest country on the planet and B. has helped MILLIONS of people.
Call me names all you want. Try to talk down to me all you want. It changes nothing, when given an opposing viewpoint you merely dismiss it because it isn't in line with your twisted, apologetic of America reasoning. -
Look up the word "apology". I used it in a completely different sense, one that cannot be related to what you call Obama's "apology" for US policy. (See no. 1 here: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apology. You will notice that the word actually has opposite meanings. The joys of English and its frequent polysemy.)
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Okay mark, to say that liberating an oppressed people is an EXCUSE for a war is just rhetoric. It is a statement that demonstrates the OUTCOME of that war.
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That is not what I said, but I'm getting tired of this.
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*shrugs*
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@Antics
yes Iraq is a more free country for those who have survived. Saddam was a terrible ally to have ever had. We should have let Iran over-run his Soviet satellite state during the 80's. -
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I agree, in fact I will go you one further. The way Carter handled the whole Iran thing in his admin was atrocious. The mullah's should never have been allowed to seize power. But that is water under the bridge, hindsight is 20/20, etc...
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That's right..raise taxes.Make the government own and control everything. Banks, car manufacturing, union membership, control pay of those running companies, take over health care. Medicaid and Medicare have worked fine so far.
Tell the world that America is to blame for the world's ills over the pat 8 years. Blame it all on the previous administration. Meanwhile, false claims of job losses and gains appease the obamanots.
Claim there is a separate "world" for a religion. When will all the other religions of the world get their koombaya speech? "Jewish world", "Christian World", "Buddhist World", "Taoist World"..and so on.-
Have you said something new here?
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no, the Sean Hannity Radio show contains the same things every day.
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You listen to Hannity every day, Agit8r?
@wares4life - I agree with you, those are but some of the idiotic things this President is doing to our country. The problem is that so many liberals just get lazy and blame Bush that they don't or can't see the damage Obama is doing.
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Obama is really making the U.S. look silly with this ridiculous tour he has been on. He sounds like no leader I know and I hear absolutely no confidence in his voice. i still don't see that "great speaker" that others have claimed.He has no idea how to lead and is bowing down to the world with his whole religion speech.
Also, I find it outrageous that he spends 250,000 on a date when he is telling Americans that they have to make sacrifices in their lives!! This absolutely angers me.-
Obama is really making the U.S. look silly with this ridiculous tour he has been on.
You probably wouldn't think that if you didn't hear it first from Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly. -
Can you put together a sentence without the words Rush, Hannity? I don't think so. You still didn't answer the date night question?
Also, a vast majority of Americans don't like the fact that Obama is bashing the U.S. on his tour. Basically saying that we are not a christian nation when 75% of the country identifies itself as so. He also forgets that this was what the country was found on. He is throwing our country in the trash.
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holy crap! Someone just regurgitated a transcript of the Sean Hannity radio show. Somebody get a mop!
oh crap its a contagious barf-a-thon-
How bout you prove why my statements are wrong instead of throwing out a pointless/childish statement from your ever growing bag of confused liberal thoughts.
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The burden of proof is on you. If you want to assert something, back it up, especially if it might appear to others to be contrary to all evidence and reason.
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@jhix
As far as Obama's "apology tour", I think it is high time that we backed away from our Wilsonian foriegn policy, and this is A STEP in the right direction.
For whatever reason, "the rest of the world" tends to like Obama (whether this is due to his semitic features or his "humble beginnings" or his many condemnations of jingoism in 'Audacity of hope', I don't know) and some of that goodwill falls on the rest of us as well.
No he's not some messiah, but he plays the part of peacemaker pretty well. -
MarkStoneman: the truth is that liberals don't accept anything others say unless it is of their beliefs. Keep pushing down free speech why don't ya.
Agit8r: The reason why the world likes Obama is because he will do whatever they say. He is like their little puppet. Hugo Chavez is even joking about how much more conservative he is looking compared to Obama. He is accomplishing nothing with these trips. -
I would purport that it is easy to play the part of peacemaker when you have no credible stance on foreign policy. Fence sitting is the easiest position to take and garners the least respect.
@jhix - yeah, I heard the comments Chavez said. He was marveling about how Obama took control of the great General Motors and warned Castro to be careful or they (Chavez and Castro) would end up to the right of Obama... -
I would purport that it is easy to play the part of peacemaker when you have no credible stance on foreign policy. Fence sitting is the easiest position to take and garners the least respect.
@jhix - yeah, I heard the comments Chavez said. He was marveling about how Obama took control of the great General Motors and warned Castro to be careful or they (Chavez and Castro) would end up to the right of Obama... That jab at our President says a lot coming from a ruthless, lying dictator like Chavez. -
Alright, I don't know why there was a double post, but apologies.
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Still standing by with my shovel, and a prayer for one of those 3,000,000 created jobs he promised, for us down-trodden souls.
Oh great and powerful obama, why have thee forsaken us with your lies and deceit? You own and have squandered vast amounts of resources and yet we of the lower ilk have watched on TV as you curse and shame us into oblivion.
Where is the assistance oh wise one of the teleprompter? when will we be able to spend thousands of dollars on bway tickets and dine in the fanciest of eateries?-
If you're out of work, you should take advantage of your free time and acquire new and better skills so that when the economy recovers, you'll be better off. With the stimulus package, there's more money available for college.
Just a suggestion. -
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they've vastly expanded Americorps, which gives money for college and a living stipend.
John McCain is a big fan
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What about the Republican critique that the administration isn’t living up to its own numbers? That’s more a function of fuzzy math than broken promises. The release says President Barack Obama promised stimulus would create or save 145,000 jobs per month, but the administration says only 150,000 jobs in three months have been created or saved. The problem is that the president never made such a promise. He said the stimulus would affect 3.5 million jobs over two years. The GOP extrapolated the monthly average. Obama never gave a monthly average, and with good reason: the effects of the stimulus aren’t expected to be a steady stream. Stimulus money is expected to have a small effect at first then grow substantially before trailing off. Both the CEA and CBO say the bulk of the stimulus effects on jobs will come in 2010, as projects will be slow to ramp up but will begin to add up later this year.
blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/06/05/republicans-launch-misleading-attacks-on...-
yes 150,000 jobs have been created,but millions are still being lost. Basically proving nothing. With regard to the quote, he has said that the stimulus would create that many jobs and even did so in debates. Obama has said so many things I don't know how he could keep up. What a fool.
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When you pander to every group that comes along, it is hard to remember what you have and haven't said.
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Hey antics, I'm going to quote Chavez every time I talk about socialism. It's like the date night question presented to Robert Gibbs, you just cannot make good out of it or defend it.
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i think the man is trying to be a leader so why you dont give him a chance. we are giving him one to prove he is for real although we were hurt badly from bush i think it is time for usa to live with us in the same world try to be kind so you might find friends in that world-
@everready, while I admire your loyalty to the President. I would like to ask you a couple of questions, if you don't mind.
Do you have a problem with the fact that Obama is doubling our national debt? That the Congressional Budget Office projects it will triple in 10 years?
www.heritage.org/research/budget/bg2249.cfm
I am all for giving someone a chance, and even though he was not my candidate, I wanted him to be a good President. But when I saw how quickly he was making fundamentally bad changes to our economy and how many socialistic programs he wants to implement, I lost any respect for him that I may have had.
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Antics, your source claims:
Even the steep tax increases planned for all taxpayers would not finance all of this spending: The President's budget would add trillions of dollars in new debt.
And their source for this figure? A comment by John McCain during the second presedential debate:
We obviously have to stop this spending spree that's going on in Washington. Do you know that we've laid a $10 trillion debt on these young Americans who are here with us tonight, $500 billion of it we owe to China?
www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate.transcript/
Not exactly an unbiased forecast. Granted, they did do some other calculations to come up with those numbers, but the Heritage Foundation is a right wing think (spin) tank.
While the stimulus bill consists of a lot of spending, if we did nothing and let the country continue its free-fall until we were in a full blown depression, that would probably put us even deeper in debt.
A lot of the money is investment in our country: civic construction projects, schools, financial aid for students, money for R&D into renewable fuel technology... We'll see returns on those investments in years to come. But taxes will need to be raised to get some semblance of a balanced budget. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy need to be rolled back, loopholes need to be closed, and the government needs to crack down on tax havens. -
Well, here are some other sources that show Obama's debt and crazy spending is going to hurt America's economy.
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-lo...
www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/64528.html
online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html
See, even the left wing McClatchy newspaper chain agrees with the CBO. Tell me, is the Congressional Budget Office also a right wing think (spin) tank?
And yes, even Obama knows that tax cuts work, or else his own Treasury dept would not have released this. It is from the Treasury Dept's "green book" which describes the tax changes.
"The [Obama] Administration’s primary policy proposals reflect changes from a tax baseline that modifies current law by “patching” the alternative minimum tax, freezing the estate tax, and making permanent a number of the [Bush] tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003. The baseline changes to current law are described in the Appendix."
www.concordcoalition.org/node/1540
But Obama will eventually have to raise taxes to try to sustain his unsustainable budget. This is not me who is saying it is unsustainable, it is our own Congressional Budget Office. So don't let his talk of "investments" fool you. That is liberal speak for spending, for by calling spending "investments" it is much more palatable to the American public.
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my friend anticsrocks: this country ,this world, those people living in that world are the only important thing. money resources,everything god created exist to allow all mankind to live and know each other.
the socialistic programs you are talking about is the life buoy for those who didnt get the chance.
i think the only difference betwn the rich and the poor is the oportunity and the will. governments are made to give the oportunity
you must have the will yourself.
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ever, God did not create money, man did that. And you miss a fundamental principle of mankind when you think that governments exist to give man opportunities. You even contradict yourself when you say "governments are made to give the oportunity" and "you must have the will yourself," for opportunity and the will to excel go hand in hand. If you do for a man what he can do for himself, you take away his motivation to excel.
Socialism never works, even the pilgrims who came to America seeking religious freedom found that out.
www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0902/0902amsoc.htm
www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm467038.html
So you see, that socialism, or the philosophy that "To each according to his own needs, from each according to his ability to provide" just doesn't work. When you take away incentive for growth, you take away mankind's ability to succeed. -
oh, geeze antics, even the British Labour Party promotes personal responsibility (except to their MP's ). It's a matter of interference into the individual sphere that is inherently evil. Government should see to it that it's citizens are afforded the greatest degree of liberty without infringing on the rights of another. How that is accomplished where I differ from "conservatives".
As for the everything God created bit, it sounds a bit like Jefferson:
"I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind" -- letter to James Madison, Oct 28, 1785 -
Nice use of the word "geeze."
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do you prefer "jeeze"?
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Don't forget about the under appreciated "sheesh."
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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is promising to deliver more than 600,000 jobs through his $787 billion stimulus plan this summer, repackaging a pledge the administration made weeks earlier as the economy continues to lose hundreds of thousands of jobs each month.
Obama spotlighted billions in federal agency spending planned this summer in an announcement Monday designed to draw attention to his stimulus program. Much of the spending he announced already was in the works, including hundreds of maintenance projects at military bases, about 1,600 state road and airport improvements, and federal money states budgeted for 135,000 teachers, principals and school support staff.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_stimulus-
Promises...
I believe the millions of Americans out of work would rather have results.
"The image at right [click here for a clearer image] is from the Congressional Budget Office. Note that it predicts a sharp economic turnaround very soon--at about the end of this year. Note also, that it predicts that the entirety of the stimulus's benefit will be felt between 2010 and 2012, with no benefit to the economy after 2012."
www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Budget-office...
Obama's crazy budget and massive spending will have a short term benefit. But the long term trauma to our economy greatly outweighs any short term benefit seen. -
That's pretty shoddy analysis by this guy Timothy P. Carney. Let's see... who the hell is he, anyway...
According to a brief biographical profile supplied to the National Journalism Center Carney attended a course in summer 1999 and has subsequently been a "reporter"...
www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Timothy_P._Carney
Founded by conservative journalist M. Stanton Evans in 1977, the National Journalism Center (NJC) is, in the words of former director Ken Grubbs, Jr., "a juggernaut for creating journalists." The NJC provides training and assistance in finding jobs to conservative journalists and has long-standing ties to the tobacco industry.
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Yeah, he has hardly any experience...
"Tim is the editor of the Evans-Novak Political Report and a weekly columnist for the Washington Examiner. His 2006 book, The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal Your Money (Wiley) won the prestigious Templeton Enterprise Award sponsored by the Templeton Foundation and the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. Tim has worked as a political reporter for Bob Novak and an assistant editor at Human Events. He has also served as a Phillips Foundation Journalism Fellow and the Warren T. Brookes Journalism Fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Tim has been published in the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, New York Sun, National Review Online, American Spectator, American Conservative, and other magazines, newspapers, and websites. Tim is currently an editor at Regnery Publishing." - As per the University Bookman.
The CBO projects that the economy will get a short term rebound and then suffer long term. Its own estimates of the percentage of Obama's budget that is the GDP show that it will decrease a little, then climb back up.
www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/selected_tables.xls
More from the CBO -
The Conflict Between Near-Term and Long-Term Fiscal Objectives
"During a recession there is an inherent tension between fiscal policy goals for the near term and for the long term. Efforts to combat the recession, such as ARRA, may have significant short-term benefits, but they also increase the budget deficit for at least the short run. CBO’s March baseline implied that deficits would peak at about 12 percent of GDP in fiscal year 2009 and remain at about 2 percent of GDP throughout the 2013–2019 period and that debt held by the public would peak at 62 percent in 2011—even if the economy recovered to its potential level of output and current laws, under which tax rates revert to higher levels, remained in place (see Figures 9 and 10). Beyond the 10-year budget window, pressures arising from spending on health care portend higher deficits."
www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10086/State_of_Economy_Testimony.1.2.shtml
Wonder why the CBO says that Obama's budgetary implementations will have a short term boost on the economy followed by unsustainability? Probably shoddy analysis...
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Well the change I was hoping for involved nuclear power, drilling off of California's coast, and a $300 billion prize for an electric car battery but, ah well.-
Must be one heck of a car battery...But too pricey for Wal-Mart.
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Did anybody hear about Gorbechov (or however you say it) basically endorsing Obama's destruction of capitalism as we know it? I thought it was great. First Hugo Chavez and now this
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i dont think that obama resembles gorbechov and he is not a comunist
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Well lets see... Gorbechov oversaw his nation through it's jingoism-caused decline and the unrest that it caused, responded to public demands for perestroika and glastnost.... nah, no simularities....
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I knew a jingoist once. I was amazed at the way he made his living writing those little songs for commercials...
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Destroying capitalism they would definately agree on.
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What,...you don't wanna share your income with somebody else???
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