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Massachusets Senate - So much for civil liberties...
Posted by csiunatc • 8/25/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: fascist democrats
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oD55WvDmM
Forced quarantines,
Right to enter private property,
1000 / Day for not following instructions like taking a vaccine or being quarantined...
Sounds an awful lot like fascism to me.
Starting this semester, I hear that Mass. School system will be teaching 2+2=5
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It's pretty sad if that's true.-
watch the video.. it's not a joke.
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Welcome all to Fascichusetts where we attempt to pass legislation like...
"79 permit entry into and investigation of the premises; (2) to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or ...
120 public health authority or its designee, an officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest
121 without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an
122 order given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection and shall use reasonable diligence to
123 enforce such order.
124 Any person who knowingly violates an order of the commissioner
125 or its designee, …shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or by
126 a fine of note more than
127 one thousand dollars, or both"
Which blatantly disregards important constitutional amendments such as...
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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wow that is just as disturbing as obama's association with jon corzine!
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L guess that kinda overwhelms the Castle Doctrine
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They don't have the castle doctrine in Mass...
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yes they do, At least in theory...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine_in_the_United_States#States_with_a_Ca... -
You're right, Looks like they do have something like that on the books. My bad
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lol
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just shows you how corrupt Massachussetts. they change the laws to get what they want. -
After reading the actual bill - I see much confusion in the commentary of it.
www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02/st02028.htm
The bill is an emergency preparations bill - not regular law. If MA files for a state of emergency due to a pandemic, they may use these laws to contain it.
The inspection of properties pertains to public spaces - in section 2 they are talking about healthcare facilities, in section 13, premises is defined as public buildings. If a pandemic breaks out, and public spaces or buildings are known to be contaminated, they will be required to shut down in whole or in part until they can be decontaminated.
The fines pertain to several different areanas, most notably in the illegal use, selling, or production of emergency vaccines (section 5), the illegal use of medical records, or fraudulent reporting of contamination, and the refusal of public spaces/groups to adhere to public safety laws with regards to pandemic outbreak emergencies.
In section 14 - quarantine is addressed - if a person or group is known to be contaminated with a pandemic or other biological danger they may either get a vaccine, or be quarantined in the least restrictive manner that is allowable according to the emergency. No fines are mentioned in this section.
Facts are funny things....-
124 Any person who knowingly violates an order of the commissioner
125 or its designee, …shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or by
126 a fine of note more than
127 one thousand dollars, or both"
How does that not apply to quarrantines? I'd say your interpretation requires a little more adherence to the text.
Boy am i glad i don't live in the Northfasc... northeast -
Where do you see that in the bill? What section? Because I just read through the whole thing, and I did not see that. (Nor did I see anything enumerated with 124-127)
(1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis to individuals as protection against communicable disease and to prevent the spread of communicable or possibly communicable disease, provided that any vaccine to be administered must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and
(2) to treat individuals exposed to or infected with disease, provided that treatment must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual.
An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.
(c) Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health, the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority:
(1) to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any individual; provided that decontamination measures must be by the least restrictive means necessary to protect the public health and must be such as are not reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and
(2) to perform physical examinations, tests, and specimen collection necessary to diagnose a disease or condition and ascertain whether an individual presents a risk to public health.
If an individual is unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis, the decontamination or diagnosis procedures may proceed only pursuant to an order of the superior court. During the time necessary to obtain such court order, such individual may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal to submit to decontamination or diagnosis procedures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.
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Anok you have to go to the full legal text with numbers as you will find in pdf form which is linked one the same page you linked.
The direct link is...
www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02pdf/st02028.pdf
You can find the exact text on pages 6 & 7 of said pdf (same lines too). -
Page 6
112 Not withstanding any provision of this section to the contrary, provided that, based on a periodic
113 review, the Commissioner has found that within the City of Boston, the local public health
114 authority has adequate and appropriate resources to exercise authority relative to subparagraph
115 (5), said local public health authority, after notifying the Commissioner, may exercise authority
116 relative to subparagraph (5) of this section during either type of declared emergency unless such
117 action is deemed by the Commissioner, after consultation with the local public health authority,
118 to be contrary to the interests of the Commonwealth.
119 Upon request or issuance of an order by the commissioner or his or her designee, or by a local
120 public health authority or its designee, an officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest
121 without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an
122 order given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection and shall use reasonable diligence to
123 enforce such order.
124 Any person who knowingly violates an order of the commissioner or his or her designee, or of a
125 local public health authority or its designee, given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection
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shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or by 126 a fine of note more than
127 one thousand dollars, or both.
128 (c) During an emergency declared pursuant to section 2A or a state of emergency declared
129 under chapter 639 of the acts of 1950 the commissioner may request assistance from the
130 Massachusetts emergency management agency and the department of state police.
131 (d) All state and local agencies of the Commonwealth engaged in responding to a public health
132 emergency declared pursuant to section 2A or a state of emergency declared under chapter 639
133 of the acts of 1950 shall consult and cooperate in:
134 (1) the exercise of their powers over routes of transportation and over materials and facilities
135 including but not limited to communication devices, carriers, public utilities, fuels, food,
136 clothing, and shelter; and
Hope this helps and is of some assistance.-
Thank you for the full version.
The subsections in which you are quoting are in section 2, which addresses medical facilities.
In section 14 (pages 18 and 19) the law deals directly with individuals who have contracted deadly/threatening diseases who refuse to comply with the laws as such: (Paraphrasing)
First, law enforcement must go through a court order procedure to try and enforce the law (be it decontamination or quarantine depending in the nature of the State of Emergency) - if the person is found guilty the law applies as follows:
382 The law enforcement authorities of the city or town where the person is present shall enforce the
383 court order.
384 Any person who knowingly violates an order, as to which noncompliance
poses a serious
385 danger to public health as determined by the commissioner or the local public health authority,
386 shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 30 days or a fine of not more than one
387 thousand dollars per day that the violation continues, or both.
So there is a fine/punishment for disobeying the laws under a state of emergency, but it is not 6 months of jail time for refusing a vaccine or without cause.
The person actually has to go through the court system, just like anyone else being accused of breaking a law.
And remember... This is only in a State of Emergency - this is not everyday legislation.
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Seems appropriate considering what the Homeland Security Act 2002
www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/hr_5005_enr.pdf
and the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act 2006
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s...
expect the states to do.
If a burger bar is selling food that is killing it's customers it is not exactly a fascist act to close it down and prosecute it's owners. If the staff are carriers of something like ecoli 1571 you stop them from working, until they test negative, or if they wilfully fail to comply they get prosecuted. Happens all the time, as is, and no one complains.
Don't forget the lesson of Typhoid Mary who was was forcibly quarantined twice by US public health authorities and rightly so. You have to legislate for people, like Typhoid Mary, who ignore facts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
Unless you want to exempt places or people who might be centres of infection of non-food borne but even more deadly virus and bacteria, or just let them wander about untreated, can't really see what the big problem is.-
The problem is that they are capable of imprisoning (quarrantine) you if you don't want to take the shot. Based only on their suspicions that you have something. Careful, don't get a peanut stuck in your throat, that cough could get you arrested and send you to isolation.
Forced Inoculations, whats next? Showers in Grey Concrete buildings? -
Erik that is wholly untrue - they will not arrest your or quarantine you if you cough for God's sake - not only do they have to prove that you are infected, but there is a court procedure that must take place before fines or imprisonment of any sort takes place. And ONLY during an emergency such as a pandemic or biological weapon.
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Astounding? Really? It's part of a broader pattern I've seen since I began paying attention to what misinformed cranks on the internet have to say. Note the Holocaust metaphor CSI just used, which is of a piece with this summer's town hall hysteria (www.blogcatalog.com/politics/discuss/entry/town-hall-war). More surprising is that I've been paying attention to this stuff. I really ought not to.
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Yes CSI, that's exactly what disaster preparedness is all about. I saw it on Glenn Beck even
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Good point, Mark. Although I'm still astounded by all of it. Perhaps confounded, too.
Meh
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It's not entirely untrue. I'm sure the English has similar conversations back in the day. This is the point of the Constitution. Because they can do it will more than likely mean they will do it once it benefits them. Humans are self interested. The intent of the constitution was to keep a lid on pandora's box. The whole problem with it is that it is too general and it can allow for too much to take place.
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Funny how so few get it. It's not about what is PERMITTED in this law, but what it lacks in specifically limiting.
Once you leave doors open, people will walk through them.
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