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One has to wonder how this will be spun, disregarded, minimized or ridiculed by the left.

If you don't get insurance with the new HC Plan, you could go to jail for it.


We'll see if this develops at all, I don't trust Politico further than I can throw them, but since it isn't the regular Obama Kool-Aid, one has to wonder.

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  1. anticsrocks
    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor - however, if you like your freedoms and liberty, you cannot keep those...
    1. csiunatc
      Of course not, How can Obama decide what's best for you if you keep insisting on making your own decisions.
  2. Agit8r
    yes, it IS a tax. i think we have covered this
    1. anticsrocks
      Okay, but what about the possible jail time?
    2. csiunatc
      But.. But... But... That means Obama Lied when he said it wasn't...

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw&feature=player_embedded
    3. Agit8r
      we covered that in the other thread. And if it is a tax, then of course it's going to be enforced in the same manner.
    4. anticsrocks
      And you are okay with that, Agit8r? You think it is okay for our Government to force people to buy insurance or pay a fine, and barring that, go to jail?

      Is that really alright with you?

      www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/26/baucus-mandate-penalty-lead-prison-cong...

      Fox is covering it, at least.
    5. Agit8r
      I have--a number of times--said that while i agree that some reforms of the insurance industry and tax breaks for the purchase of insurance are appropriate, coercion to buy insurance (other than perhaps some tweaking of FICA to include catastrophic coverage) is not.
    6. csiunatc
      So since that is the implication, i guess you are saying that you are against Obamas Plan then?
    7. anticsrocks
      Thank you for that clarification, Agit8r. I abhor being forced to do anything.
    8. Agit8r
      I have stated previously that i am against the plans that are presently before congress. I don't recall mandatory coverage being part of Obama's pitch during the election, but I understand there was some controversy to that effect.

      This was indeed one of the issues that i mentioned being pertinent to the debate, rather than all that "death panel" business and the like.
    9. anticsrocks
      Evidently he was against mandatory coverage until some brain trust convinced him that all those healthy 18-35 year olds paying premiums IN and for the most part taking NO MONEY out was a good thing.

      I remember him saying as much during one of his many, many, many interviews.
    10. Agit8r
      lets face it, HE didn't really have a plan. His campaign had one or more plans. It's politics. it's crappy
    11. anticsrocks
      I see this as a pattern for him. He lets the Dems to his bidding, allowing him to remain above the fray, so to speak, and unaccountable for anything bad; yet he is ready to take credit if something goes well. Smart politics, I suppose, but doesn't say much for the content of his character.
    12. xmarks
      During the primaries, Clinton was the one who wanted young'n healthy to be forced to have healthcare. I'm fine with not forcing people to get health insurance on the condition that when something happens to them, they don't get healthcare unless they can pay.
  3. cooper
    I wish he had been brave enough to mandate insurance propose a national health care plan and get rid if the insurance industries participation in health care all together.

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