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Anti-Obama Soldier Refuses to go to Afghanistan
Posted by satijournal • 7/14/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Economy, politics
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, set to deploy to Afghanistan, says he shouldn’t have to go.
His reason?
Barack Obama was never eligible to be president because he wasn’t born in the United States.
Cook’s lawyer, Orly Taitz, who has also challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector for her client.
www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_news/story/776335.html
Conscientious objector because he doesn't like his Commander-in-chief? The guy should be court marshalled for anti-American activities and go to prison for a few years.
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This is what happens when you have an alternate reality reported by one cable "news" network
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Oh jeezum crowe. I fully support the right to object to military deployment based on a lot of things, but that is NOT one of them
I wonder if when you're at work you can decide not to do your job because you dislike your boss' haircut, or argue that he can't have the job because you don't think he's a citizen (even if he was born in the states), or simply dislike your boss in general, and still not get fired....-
As a soldier, he has not only the right, but the responsibility to question or if neccesary refuse an order that he believes to be illegal.
Any soldier who honestly believes that Obama isn't the president has a responsibility to refuse any order that carries out a command given by him. The risk here is that he has to make that distinction for himself, he has the right to countermand a superior officer that is issuing an order from a higher position that is illegal.
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oh boy.... here goes!
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Only an idiot believes that Obama isn't a legitimate president based on idiotic propaganda that he isn't a citizen of the US.
He is not refusing to do his duty because he believes that Obama is breaking the law. He is refusing because he doesn't like Obama.
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Doesn't sound like an officer to me. Is this for real?
Edited to add: I see he's a reservist. While the law and truth are not on his side, I would not want someone like that commanding any American troops. One solution would be to cashier him, as he is clearly unfit for service, certainly in a politically sensitive location like Iraq. And maybe that's his aim. Maybe this is just his lame way of getting out of serving, even though he has a reservists commission. A discredit to both the military and conscientious objectors.-
better to find out about his crazies this way, that to find out in the field... or when he's guarding prisoners
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Yeah, I don't think you should join the millitary and then become a consientious objector MS. You gave your word and that should mean something. As for the draft, it makes no sense in wars that have air power, as groups are smaller, meaning both you need fewer troops and you need better troops. I think you're right though about his intentions. Officers are smarter then this, and pretending to be unfit to evade service is a practice going back millenia.
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Cowardice and treason. Shooting is too good for that one. Should be busted to private and sent to clean latrines with a tooth brush.
Also he should be made to pay back any salary he has received while serving, under false pretences, as reservist. -
UPDATE: The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.
Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html
Obviously the guy is emotionally unstable.-
Or mentally unfit.
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Turns out that it was a political stunt to promote the lie that the Obama presidency is illegal. There are rumors out there (hopefully true) that Cook was fired from his job at a defense contractor under pressure from the DOD.
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Well, regardless of what you think about Cook, it is very strange that the Military revoked his orders at the last minute. They give no explanation or reason. Odd.
Also, whether you believe Obama to have been born in Hawaii or not, there are an awful lot of cases going to court about this:
* New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.
* Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama case alleging he wasn't qualified even to be U.S. senator and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, (now dismissed) brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.
* Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
* Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
* Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.
* Chicago lawyer Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
* Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.
* In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
* Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.
* In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.
* In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
* California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters. She also has brought forward several other cases and has conducted several public campaigns to generate awareness of the issue.
* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.
* In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:
* In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
* In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
* In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
* In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.-
Did you notice that all of those cases were dismissed or denied? That's what they do with frivolous cases that have no business wasting the court's time.
Unless people really believe that the entire country's system of courts and higher courts are in the grips of a massive conspiracy to illegally elect a non citizen to the position of president.
He provided his birth certificate in full to those who needed it, and provided a copy online for citizens to view for themselves. Even factcheck checked out the actual copy and garnered this rumor to be a propaganda stunt. -
I don't think anticrocks cares about minor details like that, Anok. His logic is that because law suits have been attempted, they must be valid, or, in other words, because conspiracy theories exist, they must be true.
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@Anok...I was just pointing out that no matter what side of the debate you sit on, it is causing quite a stir. And I thought it odd that the Military revoked his orders with no explanation.
@mark...there you go again, making a personal attack and putting words in my mouth. Where did I say that I came down on one side of this issue or the other? You are using slimeball tactics to demonize me when I didn't say anything that you accused me of. That is low and cowardly, mark. Beneath you, or so I had thought. Why don't you do us all a favor and shut the hell up? -
In all fairness, the 9/11 conspiracies were all brought to the court and also caused quite a stir.
Doesn't mean that they're valid in any way shape or form.
The whole "he's not a citizen" propaganda was part of a larger smear campaign (along with the posting of the alleged nude pictures of his mother) just as his campaign was picking up steam.
Not one other presidential hopeful has ever been accused of not being a citizen. Not one. Not even brought up during their campaign - for all we know we could have elected several non citizens. *shrug*
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This is a question around the fundamentals of not only his eligibility, but directly related to the constitutional process.
That so many are happy with factcheck.org in handling such a case as opposed to seeing it properly vetted in a court is disheartening to say the least.
Maybe we should just surrender all legislative processes to websites and blogs.
I've said it before, I doubt there is any merit in this, but the administrations boneheaded refusal to produce the ONE document that would end any more speculation, the vault copy itself. Is if nothing else a bit of a wonder.
As far as a hawaiian Birth certificate it is a fact that HI issues COLB's to people who were not born in Hawaii. (Dr. Sun Yat-sen for instance) So the COLB that was provided as "evidence" is NOT prima facie evidence admissable in court.
I still wonder why BHO is electing to spend several hundred thousand dollars in legal fees to avoid showing the real thing.
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He is openly and transparently avoiding the issue. It is plain to see, lol.
Oh gosh, I just realized something. This post was created FOUR DAYS AGO and mark has been telling me not to necropost. I hope he doesn't yell at me again! -
The libtards are experts at deflecting by changing the topic. I'm sure he will.
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you're darned right! This Chiyome Fukino is totally in the bag for Obama, you betcha!
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There is no such thing as a "vault copy" of a birth certificate!
There is your birth certificate with a seal, and that's it. You can get as many copies of as you want. They all come form a vault or safe from your local town hall where you were born.
Dear God the stench of conspiracy theory here is so overwhelming I think I might vomit
I can't believe that anyone still believes this crap.
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Someone claims they have seen it... Awesome, then producing it so that a COURT can see it shouldn't be hard to do.
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I hear that Abe Lincoln was born in Canada. Can anyone prove otherwise?
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Agit8r...now you are just being silly. We all know he was born in Mexico.
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I think CSI should prove that he is human. A court official needs to verify that for all of us to see. Otherwise I'm going with a life form from another planet.
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Well his avatar is more human looking than yours, mark.
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A new conspiracy theory is born!
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It is more complicated than it looks, for example do you have two legs or four? Your avatar only shows two...On the other hand, csi's avatar shows none.
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And while I see my avatar as a dog, some have taken it for a devil.
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Oh great! Just when I didn't think this conspiracy could get any more complicated!!! You HAD TO GO THERE!!
Wait! Isn't there a dessert called Devil Dogs? Yes, there is.
www.drakesdevildogs.com/
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Who is this fowl called Drake? And why is he out to get me?
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Oh God now I want a devil dog There goes my diet!
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I showed the wife that site and then I had to whip out the credit card... She grew up in New Jersey and they were very popular there. Here in the Midwest she cannot find them.
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They don't sell devil dogs in the midwest?!?!?!
I am so sorry for your loss
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I wonder if they are allowed to be sold in the bible belt...
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Thank you Anok...I think. It was the second smiley face that made me wonder, lol.
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Well I was laughing because my initial reaction was total shock and sympathy that you couldn't get a stupid snack cake where you live it never occurred to me that they weren't nation-wide. It's like syaing...you can' tget ho-hos or twinkies or something. Egads!
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Look at our gluttony and greed. While in Russia, under the Communist rule they waited in lines for toilet paper. We are griping about not getting snack cakes when and where we want. That is really worth an Egads!
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The US and all other nations involved in this unjustified hostility must be reminded that war is the lowest form of Human behaviour, where each side dehumanizes the other, many innocents suffer, its scars are sustained for a long time and the magnitude of is destruction serves no one.
Obama is a deceitful man. A man that has long been in works, by no other than the likes of Bilderberg group, the elite in power.
Read on the latest global casualty
lookfromabove.com/2009/09/14/afghanistans-roadside-bomb-kills-another-canad... -
Court Martial this idiot and then shoot him for treason. As a former Special Operations Soldier politics has no place in the Army. -
Yeah, even japanese is now waiting for the army refueling agreement to be over this upcoming January. Nobody are actually want to do the real massive war except for the resourceful American Military, real havoc player Taliban and full of gimmick the Korean. Iranian? American used to pressurize them to avoid any technological disadvantage, that is it.-
the japanese are birthers also?
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think that this entire conspiracy surrounding President Obama's citizenship is born out of racism. That is the only logical conclusion that can be made out of this insanity.
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