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The Democratic Dog
Posted by ReneMonroe • 10/01/09 • Subscribe to this Discussion [RSS] • Report This Topic
Topics: Democrats, hypocrisy, rep. alan grayson
Okay, so Rep. Alan Grayson of Florida (D) has revealed himself as a hypocrite. He said that the republican version of health care reform is to "Die Quickly."
I personally find this hypocritical of him. Here is the blog I wrote if you would like more on my views.
hammerandskull.blogspot.com/2009/10/dog-of-house.html
What does everyone else think?
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Are you referring to his ridiculous attempt to compare the death caused by Republican health care to the Holocaust? (www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27769.html) I agree that it is no better than the wrong-headed, hyperbolic Hitler analogies on the right. Besides displaying a remarkable ignorance of history, carrying out the health care reform battle on the graves of so many millions is just plain wrong.-
Lets see if they'll spend half a day debating to reprimand him.
At least Wilson had it in him to apologize. -
I wasn't aware that Grayson insulted the president before a joint session of Congress.
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Yeah there is a difference between the two situations. One was insulting the President during a joint session of Congress while the other was just plain stupid.
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No he insulted every republican out there.
That's the problem with the Obamaites, they think one man is more than every republican out there. -
you are so upset by him insulting every republican, you insult every person who supports the president? -
Well obviously that is not something that obamaites are upset about. As long as one doesn't insult the president, things seem to be fine, why should they be complaining then?
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what are you talking about
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Yeah, he did insult every single republican. Just as republicans have been insulting every single democrat for the past few months. Have we forgot about death panels and the like?
What both of these congressmen were wrong. However, to insult the office of the presidency, no matter who that President is, during a presidential address is at a different level than what Congressmen Grayson did earlier this week.
Yes Congressmen Grayson should apologize, I think everyone would agree. However, to jump all over him for this crap is rather hypocritical after making assertions that President Obama is a reincarnation of Hitler. -
Oh you mean things like Booing the president during his state of the union... Things like that?
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The absurdity of someone on the right trying to score points against ideological opponents on the left who have critized Grayson's rhetoric is striking. I don't know how it came to that, however, just once, I'd like to see a thread survive a whole day without anyone resorting to the old "two wrongs make a right" fallacy.
Maybe we could even get past the rightness or wrongness of these things to actually consider their political implications. That's why I posted the Politico link below: blogcatalog.com/politics/discuss/entry/the-democratic-dog#comment_1143116 Otherwise, I fear, we won't be able to see the forest for the trees. We won't understand politics as they are actually happening, for better or worse.
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A relevant article: "The pros and cons of hissy fits"
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Grayson is just looking for his 15 seconds of fame, maybe he needs to ramp up his fund-raising... -
I actually read an editorial in the NY Times making that exact assertion. It would make sense though. I mean, look at the fundraising that Rep. Wilson got. Apparently Rep. Grayson is in a really tight election down in Florida.
Since the controversial usually garners the most attention (as well as the money from the extreme liberals/conservatives), this would make sense. Hopefully people in Florida will be smart enough to understand what is going on.-
But as the Politico piece I cited above suggests, this kind of rhetorical escalation has diminishing returns. Wilson got a whole week in the news. What are we down to now?
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Unfortunately Obama was correct when he said that (paraphrasing) the only people who get on the news anymore are the crazies. When ratings began driving news channels, then the product went to hell. Journalism has all but died in the MSM and also on most cable outlets. I think that in the future, the real journalism will be on the web.
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You know, I think that it is rather interesting that everybody is so passionate about what our Senators and Representatives are saying on the floor. Though, during the past 8 years, there wasn't that many controversial statements made, or at least they weren't covered by the media as heavily. However, from the 20's to the mid 90's, statements such as the one made by Rep. Grayson were common, sometimes even more direct and...colorful.
I think now people are so divided that, as the debate moves along, that the fringes become more passionate and louder. I think that the fringes of both parties are searching for things to pounce on and exploit. However, in this age of political correctness, there isn't much, so when a statement like Grayson's is made, everyone comes to viciously attack or defend it.
I dunno, just something interesting I have noticed while doing some research on Congress.-
Psssionate or just loud and uncivil?
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Well, I guess that would depend on your point of view.
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Anyone making ignorant comparisons with Hitler or the Holocaust should be sent to the Auschwitz I and Auschwitz II-Birkenau memorial museum in Germany.
On a lighter note, observing this debate is kind of like watching a chimps tea party.
(polybore munches on popcorn)
Seems to have been going on for ever, time to get it over and done with one way or another. It's not like there is not plenty of other stuff to be getting on with. Get on with it. -
Sunday's Doonsebury captures the silliness of the Nazi comparisons perfectly: www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20090927
(Scroll down for the comic strip. Might take a bit to load, since it is a big one.)-
Funny but inaccurate.
They're comparing Hitlers last years in power to Obamas first,
Compare apples to apples the analogies aren't AS far fetched.
Here is an interesting quote that illustrates that.
"The Great Depression of the early 1930's resulted in the economic and political collapse of the Weimar Republic, Germany's post-World War I experiment in democracy. Adolf Hitler demonstrated his political skill in taking advantage of the opportunity provided by the depression. He developed his Nazi Party into a mass movement and used a combination of his popular support and behind-the-scenes intrigue to propel himself into power. "
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Same could be said for any political party leader that gets into power. When everything is rosy the electorate stick with the incumbent.
Hitler on the other hand was never technically elected so it is a bit of a stretch to even describe him as a politician. You know, in the same way as Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and the like were not politicians.
Obama won the election fair and square and by a respectable majority. These ridiculous comparisons are just people throwing their proverbial rattles out of the pram.
It could be regarded as a flaw of the US political system that it has an elected head of state as it means so much time is spent discussing the man rather than his policies. Worst of all though, attacks of this nature on any President of the USA, makes burning the Stars and Stripes seem rather trivial. -
@CSI: I don't even know where to begin. So I won't. Color me speechless.
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@CSI Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, these comparisons are a stretch for even the most illogical conservative minds.
@Polybore I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for injecting some logical thought into the discussion.
@Clioandme I have a picture in my mind right now of The Thinker, scratching his head, unable to think, and at complete loss of words. I believe this illustrates how you, and many others (myself included) feel at the moment. -
"They're comparing Hitlers last years in power to Obamas first,
Compare apples to apples the analogies aren't AS far fetched."
wow....
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LOL,
I know what you mean. Insane isn't it.-
certaintly the
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